¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 He did declare war. theres an entire Harper's Weekly about it. its called 'President Abraham Lincolns Declaration of War'. he did it via Martial Law. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTacoMunster Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 being judgmental does not help the situation though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 being judgmental does not help the situation though... it does. that's how legislature and reform work. someone has to judge what is acceptable and what isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I think Melt is arguing a different point than any of the rest of us... We're not trying to take away anyone's right to fly the flag. You want it on your personal property, by all means, fly that thang. I don't even care if you're flying it because you're a biggot or not. It's your right as a citizen of the U.S. to fly that baby loud and proud. I mean, he'll, If someone wants a bumper sticker that says "fuck all n*ggers" go for it. I don't agree with it, and they will almost definitely get the shit kicked out of them at some point, but it's their right. On property owned by the government, this flag shouldn't be flown, though. We should mourn the tragic loss of human life in the Civil War on both sides just like any other war, but flying a flag that to many represents oppression on state property is wrong. GalacticMelt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalacticMelt Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I think Melt is arguing a different point than any of the rest of us... We're not trying to take away anyone's right to fly the flag. You want it on your personal property, by all means, fly that thang. I don't even care if you're flying it because you're a biggot or not. It's your right as a citizen of the U.S. to fly that baby loud and proud. I mean, he'll, If someone wants a bumper sticker that says "fuck all n*ggers" go for it. I don't agree with it, and they will almost definitely get the shit kicked out of them at some point, but it's their right. On property owned by the government, this flag shouldn't be flown, though. We should mourn the tragic loss of human life in the Civil War on both sides just like any other war, but flying a flag that to many represents oppression on state property is wrong. I can get behind this 100%. And if I saw someone with a bumper sticker like you said, I'd try and run them off the road.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTacoMunster Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 the judgment is not someone, its a group of people that vote on stuff. just like they need a 2/3 vote to bring the flag down. Obviously we couldn't let 1 judgmental person decide on everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 but we ALL can agree if i decide to get pizza for lunch. dont worry about topping. thats a whole new batle. (trying to lighten it up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The flag does not only symbolize oppression, it is a traitor symbol in a sense. The confederacy tried to effectively over-through the government at the time. I'm pretty sure those are traitorous actions, so anyone flying that flag agrees and stands with the traitors. IMO anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The flag does not only symbolize oppression, it is a traitor symbol in a sense. The confederacy tried to effectively over-through the government at the time. I'm pretty sure those are traitorous actions, so anyone flying that flag agrees and stands with the traitors. IMO anyway.That too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The confederacy tried to effectively over-through the government at the time. I'm pretty sure those are traitorous actions, so anyone flying that flag agrees and stands with the traitors. to be fair, the USA was founded by people who effectively overthrew their government at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Very true, but we won that war, so it is our right to fly the flag. Generally in history, the loser does not get to fly their flag because it is taken as a sign of opposition. How can a government building fly a symbol like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 to be fair, the USA was founded by people who effectively overthrew their government at the time.Counterpoint; the south had representation in the U.S. government, whereas the colonies did not have representation in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalacticMelt Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 but we ALL can agree if i decide to get pizza for lunch. dont worry about topping. thats a whole new batle. (trying to lighten it up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Very true, but we won that war, so it is our right to fly the flag. Generally in history, the loser does not get to fly their flag because it is taken as a sign of opposition. How can a government building fly a symbol like that? i think it goes to show how deeply rooted racial issues are in the US. i'm trying to fact check, but i read today that the confederate flag didn't even go up in south carolina until 1961 and was a backlash response to the civil rights movement. Counterpoint; the south had representation in the U.S. government, whereas the colonies did not have representation in Britain. well... pizza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The whole pizza thing is funnier to me than it should be because I watched the "pizza" episode of China, IL last night where the mayor tries to take away the rights of people who like anchovies on their pizza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 where the mayor tries to take away the rights of people who like anchovies on their pizza. haha. had to google. found it on youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 eBay, Amazon and Walmart ban the sale of confederate flags BTW. i guess this was just announced? not offending ppl = more $$$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 eBay, Amazon and Walmart ban the sale of confederate flags BTW. i guess this was just announced? not offending ppl = more $$$$$$ step 1) racism step 2) ban confederate flag step 3) profit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/conservatives_demanding_government_buildings_take_down_fascist_anti_christian_gay_pride_flag I love that some Christains think that backlash against their bigotry is bigotry. By "love" I mean let's just burn everything to the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 if i can't be racist, then you can't be gay. ExtraFox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 John Nolte was always the crazier of the Nolte brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Their argument to take down the pride flag is laughable, but I also think that a government building should only fly the U.S. Flag and the state flag. That's just my opinion though. Koolhandnick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalacticMelt Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Yep, I knew this would happen eventually. Now every "group" will point fingers to get something else removed. Should be interesting to watch. Odd piece of political memorabilia as well: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The historical record of states rights debates, tariffs, etc belongs in the history books but not the debate in my opinon. I don't know how to justify with facts but it seems like the most conservative federal government that could be put together today would still be 10x bigger per capita than the one back then. I understand it is important to learn from history. I believe that the world has changed so much since then that the arguments are really no longer relevant. We live longer today (more health care). We have gone from soldier/militia heavy defenses to massive armaments, satellites, etc. We have way more regulation of business over the environment, banking, etc. We have social welfare programs. We can communicate across long distances in real time and easily move around the country. You could write comparisons for hours and not scratch the surface. Who argues about states rights anymore? The Federal Government has strongly asserted its role over the states and despite mistakes, overspending, etc., we all live in a better place because of its existence. The states rights debate seems to only really be relevant in hotbutton issues like gay marriage and marijuana legalization. The rest of the time it is just used in rhetoric over spending and taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundofsilver Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/4yoaqb/flagdance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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