lemongoat Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Having a book/movie which greatly exaggerated the impact of his personnel philosophy. Yeah, Scott Hatteberg really won them a ton of games! Forget about Zito/Mulder/Hudson... You're missing the point. Totally surprising. The book (or the part you're referring to) was about replacing Jason Giambi. Hudson/Mulder/Zito didn't change, but he replaced Giambi with Hatteberg and others and they won more games. As for exaggerating his impact. HA. He (and less ballyhooed Bill James before him) completely changed the way the game is looked at. kyacrash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredheart Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 If you think Moneyball is only about Scott Hatteberg you need to work on your reading comprehension. kyacrash and lemongoat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Price is a tiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Austin Jackson was sent to the Mariners as part of the Price deal. Nick Franklin was also traded in the deal. Smyly too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 If you think Moneyball is only about Scott Hatteberg you need to work on your reading comprehension. Never said this. It is a well criticized component of the book/movie that it makes too big a deal about guys like Hatteberg and underestimates the impact of their 3 young aces. Not like this is an authoritative source, but it's the first thing I pulled off google quickly to show it's not like there aren't plenty of people who think the same about Moneyball: http://blog.wblakegray.com/2009/07/moneyball-was-never-good-idea-for-movie.html?m=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Friendly Rap God Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Austin Jackson was sent to the Mariners as part of the Price deal. Nick Franklin was also traded in the deal. Smyly too. I really wish we never traded Jackson to get Granderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Exactly, plenty of people don't get it. Haven't you ever heard Harold Reynolds speak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Tijuan Walker was sent to the Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Tijuan Walker was sent to the Rays. Scratch Walker to the Rays. Only Franklin was traded by the Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 If Detroit got Price for Jackson and Smyly that sure seems like a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredheart Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Never said this. It is a well criticized component of the book/movie that it makes too big a deal about guys like Hatteberg and underestimates the impact of their 3 young aces. Not like this is an authoritative source, but it's the first thing I pulled off google quickly to show it's not like there aren't plenty of people who think the same about Moneyball: http://blog.wblakegray.com/2009/07/moneyball-was-never-good-idea-for-movie.html?m=1 Have you even read the book or just read what others say on blogs about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Martin Prado was traded to the Yankees and so was Stephen Drew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Friendly Rap God Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Martin Prado was traded to the Yankees and so was Stephen Drew. First Yanks/Sox trade since 97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoshotthefrog Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Jared Cosart to the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Have you even read the book or just read what others say on blogs about it? Saw the movie, didn't read the book. If you want to apply my comment to the movie only, fair enough. I've heard it talked about on the radio several times as well. It's not an idea I invented on an island. So the question was "why does billy beane have so much job security" to which you could consider my answer "because he had a movie made about him which put too much focus on guys like Hatteberg and undervalued the contribution of their aces, in an attempt to advance the story about his personnel move strategy." I understand the concept of moneyball well -- use advanced statistics to find players who bring winning skills to a team that other GMs undervalue contractually. It's not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3arl Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Well that was a batshit crazy trade deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 will be interesting to see who gets traded before aug 31st, probably a lot of BP arms will get moved, and I imagine a number of Phillies players will get moved (Lee, Hamels, Howard?) since no one will want to claim them in waivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Someone wrote an article that showed that Howard is well on pace to be the first player to sign a $100 million contract and have a negative war throughout the deal. JV might well be the second, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Someone should write a book about Dave Dombrowski's ability to trade rape teams (especially those in Florida). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Detroit-Oakland ALCS guaranteed after today liked the Brewers move to get Parra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOSTDRONES Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Someone should write a book about Dave Dombrowski's ability to trade rape teams (especially those in Florida). Yes. Rays must feel dumb; they were offered more before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 seriously I thought the Rays were a smartly ran franchise? What an awful return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Detroit-Oakland ALCS guaranteed after today liked the Brewers move to get Parra especially since Parra has another year with control, meaning LATER LIMPBAT SHAFER PLZ STP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 especially since Parra has another year with control, meaning LATER LIMPBAT SHAFER PLZ STP and we actually have a real OF to start when Braun gets hurt like he always does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 Detroit-Oakland ALCS guaranteed after today liked the Brewers move to get Parra Hey hey, dont count the Angels out yet! I still completely believe they can hang with any team in baseball. They didnt go sign a big name starter but they really upgraded their one weak spot on the team already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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