your views on downloading music

[Green Tea Papi]

I own 1 CD and 18 records

I have 4,375 songs (513 albums) downloaded.

I have never paid for any piece of digital music, It's just too expensive, that would be $4,375 dollars at $1 a song

I plan to get a good amount of my music collection on vinyl. Besides what happens if you download a song because you liked the preview but you hated the rest, you can't get a refund for that. I don't think any normal person has the money to consume music like I do anyways.

 

So why should I have to pay for something I can't physical touch but only listen to. So what does it matter if I pay for it or not, becuase I'm still listening to it, showing it to my friends and bringing in more fans. The artist will still get money and support in the form of going to shows, buying merch, and physical music.

P.S. Most artist don't make much from digital downloads anyways.

[heypeterman]

I own 1 CD and 18 records

I have 4,375 songs (513 albums) downloaded.

I have never paid for any piece of digital music, It's just too expensive, that would be $4,375 dollars at $1 a song

I plan to get a good amount of my music collection on vinyl. Besides what happens if you download a song because you liked the preview but you hated the rest, you can't get a refund for that. I don't think any normal person has the money to consume music like I do anyways.

So why should I have to pay for something I can't physical touch but only listen to. So what does it matter if I pay for it or not, becuase I'm still listening to it, showing it to my friends and bringing in more fans. The artist will still get money and in support in the form of going to shows, buying merch, and physical music.

P.S. Most artist don't make much from digital downloads anyways.

This hurts my brain...

[museummouth]

I own 1 CD and 18 records

I have 4,375 songs (513 albums) downloaded.

I have never paid for any piece of digital music, It's just too expensive, that would be $4,375 dollars at $1 a song

I plan to get a good amount of my music collection on vinyl. Besides what happens if you download a song because you liked the preview but you hated the rest, you can't get a refund for that. I don't think any normal person has the money to consume music like I do anyways.

 

So why should I have to pay for something I can't physical touch but only listen to. So what does it matter if I pay for it or not, becuase I'm still listening to it, showing it to my friends and bringing in more fans. The artist will still get money and in support in the form of going to shows, buying merch, and physical music.

P.S. Most artist don't make much from digital downloads anyways.

Bands do make a lot from digital downloads. Especially Bandcamp. 

 

Also when did people assume that they were entitled to free music?

[ilikeguitars]

Also when did people assume that they were entitled to free music?

The exact moment they found out they could get it for free. 

[Green Tea Papi]

Bands do make a lot from digital downloads. Especially Bandcamp. 

 

Also when did people assume that they were entitled to free music?

[ilikeguitars]

Great words from Stephen Carpenter (Deftones) on illegal downloading. Link

 

“….I say hallelujah to them. You know, I say it for only one reason, the truth is people who download your music are your fans. Or people who are potentially going to become your fans. And if you’re going to be upset that someone is interested, or becoming interested in your stuff, then what’s the point. What are you doing?

If it’s all about money then certainly you’re going to be offended. But if your actual intent is to enjoy what you’re doing and have others enjoying it, then it should be a no brainer. I welcome all people to download the music. They won’t be the first, they won’t be the last, and for anyone to fight that… it’s futile.”

[thejesseb]

Eric, people like you kind of piss me off. It doesnt matter if it is digital or physical, it is the property of the artists and if you wish to consume it you should be willing to give something to the artist for it. Sure some people say "Oh but I'll just go see them live and buy a shirt". Good, you should but you should buy a shirt and pay for the music from them. Take the recent leak of Daylight's "Jar" It leaked so RFC put it up for $5. The record is fantastic and worth more than $5, but you are saying just cause you dont have a physical copy you shouldnt have to pay for it? Screw that. There have been times were I have preordered records and if I dont get them right on release day I'll buy it on iTunes. Why? Because I love music and want to support bands as much as possible so they can continue to make music.

 

 

TL;DR: Pay for music. Because someone else put a lot of time and effort into it and deserve to receive something from it.

[bigbruise]

Great words from Stephen Carpenter (Deftones) on illegal downloading. Link

“….I say hallelujah to them. You know, I say it for only one reason, the truth is people who download your music are your fans. Or people who are potentially going to become your fans. And if you’re going to be upset that someone is interested, or becoming interested in your stuff, then what’s the point. What are you doing?

If it’s all about money then certainly you’re going to be offended. But if your actual intent is to enjoy what you’re doing and have others enjoying it, then it should be a no brainer. I welcome all people to download the music. They won’t be the first, they won’t be the last, and for anyone to fight that… it’s futile.”

I love this.

[GradedOnACurve]

Eric's generation has no connection to physical music. It's sad. He was about three when Napster took off. So Mp3's are pretty much the dominant format when it comes to music for them. No attachment to home stereo systems, record players, walkmans, Discmans that skip or broke. None. A whole generation people who only know how to download music.

 

Not an excuse for him or his generation. Just an observation.

[hipsterasfolk]

I only download illegally, then I pretend to buy the vinyl

[Aych]

For me, if I find an album I enjoy, I'll download it and listen to it two or three times. If I like it enough, I'll either buy it on vinyl or, if they don't have that particular album pressed onto vinyl, I'll either buy the album on CD or download it from their official site/Bandcamp page. If I don't like the album, I delete it from my iTunes library.

 

That being said, I have about 14.5k songs in my iTunes library, of those about 3k or 4k I purchased as a CD or directly from iTunes, about 1.5-2k I've gotten from mp3 download codes, and the rest were either free from the artist or downloaded/borrowed from friends. I know the number of songs I've purchased doesn't even account for half of my library, and I do kind of feel guilty about that. Unfortunately, a lot of it boils down to funds and, being a college student with a part-time job that mostly pays for student loans, that's something I don't have a lot of quite yet.

 

TL;DR I support musicians and artists that I enjoy, when I can afford it. I do feel guilty about downloading albums, but I still do it. Call me what you want. but that's just how it is.

[Guest]

Great words from Stephen Carpenter (Deftones) on illegal downloading. Link

“….I say hallelujah to them. You know, I say it for only one reason, the truth is people who download your music are your fans. Or people who are potentially going to become your fans. And if you’re going to be upset that someone is interested, or becoming interested in your stuff, then what’s the point. What are you doing?

If it’s all about money then certainly you’re going to be offended. But if your actual intent is to enjoy what you’re doing and have others enjoying it, then it should be a no brainer. I welcome all people to download the music. They won’t be the first, they won’t be the last, and for anyone to fight that… it’s futile.”

Exactly. I would be extremely flattered if anyone went out of their way to download my music.

[Green Tea Papi]

TL;DR: Pay for music. Because someone else put a lot of time and effort into it and deserve to receive something from it.

   I don't have money to pay for music, I download a good 3 albums a week, that's $30 a week. With that being said I understand that this is taking away from the artist, and that this is how they we'll be able to make more music. The thing is most artist who make music for the love of music, don't care if you pay or not as long as you're listening. I have turned away from many an artist because of the ability, to find a torrent  which essentially causes the artist to lose a potential fan. Though now I have this think that lets me rip from bandcamp and youtube now and nothing's off limits Yeah sure it's fucked up to steal from bandcamp bands, but I'm going to the show, or buying a shirt, or buying the vinyl if I like it (I don't see the point in CDs it's the same thing as an mp3) so the band will still make money.

   Truth be told, I believe that  there should always be a way to get music for free you know why BECAUSE IT'S ART, art is a thing to express feeling and provoke thought, not a thing to make capitol. You can look at the Mona Lisa online for free, you can pay to see it in person, and you can pay to own it/a copy of it. Digital assets can be copied and copied, and the real the point of paying is supply and demand, with infinity supply the file is worthless, and you're only paying for as Dan Brown said "to not feel guilty about using it". Notice how i said use and not own, because when you own it you can do what ever you want with it. but with music I cannot, I cannot put a The Smtihs in my film with proper credit, without first paying for the right to use it, I cannot put the video on Youtube video without running the risk of getting it removed from the site, by the LABEL!

   You see the reason copyright laws are in play is because the label, wants what is in the interest of them making money not the artist (Labels used to put viruses on CD's to keep you from copying them). What they don't understand is that by leaving the video up, people are seeing it and hearing the song and thinking, "hey this song is rad, who wrote it"  and they then go look up the song. I never said hey I wrote the song Hand In Glove, no I said this is the song Hand In Glove by The Smiths in the video I made. What the copyright holders fail to understand is that this is free advertising, for them. Keep in mind I PAID to own a copy of this file, but I still cannot use it as I'd please. Though I can pay for a photo, print the photo, give a copy to you can you can color on it all you'd like, you could put it on display in your car, and much more, why because it is your property. When you pay for music digitally it is not your property and you cannot use it as you please, even though you paid to own it. You can't even pass on the music you paid for onto your kids (NEWS STORY).

 

TL;DR: Not everybody has the money. Music is an art form and if the artist cared about people listening, they wouldn't care if you didn't pay because you're still a fan. A digital music file is infinite and they are infinite copies of it, in play. Why should I pay for it if I cannot use it as I fully please.

[museummouth]

1. CDs are not the same as an mp3 for so many reasons.

2. You own 18 records so I don't believe you support artists that much through vinyl.

3. You argument is completely invalid.

4. Once you stop living off your parents money you'll have respect for people and their careers. Whatever job you end up having as an adult, you'll need to get paid for doing it to live. Musicians need the money to keep going. That's why a lot of bands break up because entitled idiots like you think they are " true fans" even if they torrent the music.

5. Who ever said art should be free? You pay to see movies or go to a museum. You pay for art. Next you'll be saying all food should be free. It's the same concept in your mind

[Green Tea Papi]

I don't have money to "support the artist" as you'd like me to, I buy the vinyl when I get the money, I go to the show when I get money. I have 514 albums you think I'm going to buy all there vinyl, because I'm not, I'll get some but not all.

Fuck CDs, All a CD is is a copy of the mp3 files on a compact disk which you could get a pack of 100 of for the price of 1 cd, and just get the music for free.

I said digital assets should be free, not physical assets, as in digital art, like an MP3 file, or a movie file, or a JPG image, I'll pay for something physical, but I'll never pay for anything digital, expect software, which I will buy a disk of, expect DLC.

[taylo234]

I don't buy digital music, ever. If an album is really good, I'll buy it. If I feel the artist needs the money, I'll buy it. I'm not going to feel bad for downloading a Led Zeppelin album or something along those lines. Yeah musicians need to make a living, but, I'd rather go to one of their shows or buy a t-shirt to support them.

 

Also, if I remember correctly, there was a study that people who illegally download music spend more money on music then people who don't.

[smailtronic]

TeenageEric: great troll, or greatest troll?

[museummouth]

I don't have money to "support the artist" as you'd like me to, I buy the vinyl when I get the money, I go to the show when I get money. I have 514 albums you think I'm going to buy all there vinyl, because I'm not, I'll get some but not all.

Fuck CDs, All a CD is is a copy of the mp3 files on a compact disk which you could get a pack of 100 of for the price of 1 cd, and just get the music for free.

I said digital assets should be free, not physical assets, as in digital art, like an MP3 file, or a movie file, or a JPG image, I'll pay for something physical, but I'll never pay for anything digital, expect software, which I will buy a disk of, expect DLC.

So video games and movies should be free too? And ebooks? Oh and apps and digital comic books? 

 

When I was your age, I had an allowance, which I saved up to buy CDs at a local store. Or I would cut grass/shovel snow for money to support artists. This was when the only way to download music was Kazaa and Napster and half the time the file was porn or Bill Clinton. 

[Green Tea Papi]

If it's available digitally there's a way to get it for free, that doesn't meaning I'm going to get it all for free, I prefer most physical means to digital, I buy real books, and real games, and physical music. I just not going to pay for 1 dollar for 3 minutes of music I can't even touch.

[michaelmanfredi]

mfw

 

[museummouth]

If it's available digitally there's a way to get it for free, that doesn't meaning I'm going to get it all for free, I prefer most physical means to digital, I buy real books, and real games, and physical music. I just not going to pay for 1 dollar for 3 minutes of music I can't even touch.

I guess I shouldn't have to pay for food then since I'm just going to shit it out later.

[Guest]

Nowadays I just redeem DL cards or get stuff off of blogs. No more torrents or any of that nonsense for me. Even with that, I still buy more vinylz than I download mp3s. The mp3 are for when I am in the car or at work, the vinylz are for home listening.

[Green Tea Papi]

I guess I shouldn't have to pay for food then since I'm just going to shit it out later.

Your counter argument makes no sense, you cannot simply copy a tomato. There are a finite amount of tomatoes in the world. There are infinite copies of a file. 

[isavedlatin54]

Your counter argument makes no sense, you cannot simply copy a tomato. There are a finite amount of tomatoes in the world. There are infinite copies of a file. 

science has proven we can in fact copy a tomato 

[harryq]

Starting a new thread kills souls.

 

word.  someone would have been all like "do you even know how to search?  link"

 

I haven't downloaded anything (illegally) for at least 5 years, but before that (when I was in high school and undergrad) my plan was to make sure I supported artists once I had money.  now I do, so I do.

 

the only ~sketchy thing I do is occasionally record music I'm streaming if it's not available on vinyl, a la people recording stuff they heard on the radio back in the day.  I'd pay $5 to download an album, but only if they'd give me a coupon to put toward buying the album on vinyl in the future.

 

 

you cannot simply copy a tomato.

 

science has proven we can in fact copy a tomato 

 

but I doubt it's all that "simple" (or affordable or instantaneous)