Tardcore Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Look into a Schiit Mani + a Schiit SYS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcllnsn Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Sweet, thanks. So the chain could go turntable>phono stage>Schiit SYS>powered monitors? If I wanted to incorporate a headphone option into this, how would I do that? Where would I put a headphone amp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 The SYS has two outputs, you could use one to switch to a headphone amp. Another option is to look at a Schiit Magni 2 Uber, which includes an output. You would simply drop that into the place of the SYS in the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcllnsn Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 I think the SYS has two inputs, not two outputs. Oh, so the Magni 2 Uber could power headphones and speakers also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 no, it would pass through the signal to the speakers. I think you said the speakers were powered, so they would power themselves. Not sure if it would control volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcllnsn Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Sorry, power is the wrong word. You're right. Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 looked at the Magni 2 product page and it appears to confirm that the Magni 2 Uber has a pre-amp output, so the headphone amp volume control would function if you connected them to powered speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcllnsn Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Right. Still a little confused: obviously a phono preamp is necessary, but wouldn't using a preamp (like the magni 2 uber) into the active speakers after the phono preamp give me too much amplification? Some sites say I just need a phono preamp in between the table and the active speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 It's not amplification. It's preampfification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circuit bored records Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 It's not delivery. It's digiorno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 a phono signal is significantly weaker than a standard line level signal. The phono preamp takes that weak phono signal and brings it up to line level. From that point the volume control on a standard preamp simply adjusts that line level signal to control volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcllnsn Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Ok, gotcha. Sorry for being slow, I'm kinda new to all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpiumEd Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 A phono preamp does more than just bring a weak signal to line level. (If that's all it did, you could use any preamp or even just another amplifier). The main thing a phono preamp does, that sets it apart from other amps, is it adjusts for (or adds) the "RIAA curve." During the 1930s-1940s when the record companies (mainly RCA Victor and Columbia) were experimenting with obtaining the best fidelity (highest quality) out of records, the new LPs and 45s that is, they came up with various equalization adjustments, de-emphasizing particularly the bass frequencies while emphasizing the highs, then reversing this on playback. For awhile, each record company had their own equalization "curve." A standard was eventually agreed upon through the Recording Industry Association of America, so the RIAA curve became the standard in 1954. All phono preamps come with the RIAA curve built in. read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 A phono preamp does more than just bring a weak signal to line level. (If that's all it did, you could use any preamp or even just another amplifier). The main thing a phono preamp does, that sets it apart from other amps, is it adjusts for (or adds) the "RIAA curve." During the 1930s-1940s when the record companies (mainly RCA Victor and Columbia) were experimenting with obtaining the best fidelity (highest quality) out of records, the new LPs and 45s that is, they came up with various equalization adjustments, de-emphasizing particularly the bass frequencies while emphasizing the highs, then reversing this on playback. For awhile, each record company had their own equalization "curve." A standard was eventually agreed upon through the Recording Industry Association of America, so the RIAA curve became the standard in 1954. All phono preamps come with the RIAA curve built in. read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization and.....none of that has anything to do with his question. thanks wikipedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcllnsn Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Quite interesting though, didn't know that. OpiumEd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Some phono stages still have the ability to select the different equalisation curves for the terminally anorak wearing members of the hifi community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlombardo Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 ^that was interesting, didn't know that. A dude in my area is selling a Technics sl-d2 with what he describes as a "red Elektra Goldring" for about $55. Good price, average price or bad price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatoreleeray Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I've been looking through this thread and learned a lot. But i feel like maybe the recommended equipment is a little out of date? I'm ready to buy a whole new setup (for listening) which i worked my ass off for and just want to make sure i do it correctly. I have like two grand for a complete setup and i've just been stuck on what i should get. I was leaning towards the rpm1 from pro-ject and a5 speakers but now i'm not so sure. I feel like i might have enough money to upgrade. I feel like maybe if theres something better i should check it out. Guys! What do i do!? How should i spend this $2000 to have a wonderful setup? I'm coming from a lp-120 but i want my next setup to be legit and last me a while lol. I would really appreciate not being yelled at for asking / still being a beginner or being made fun of because you guys are my only hope to help me! OpiumEd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 First thing: do you want to stick to buying new or are you okay with buying used? $2k will get you a pretty good new setup, but it will get you an absolutely incredible used setup. Of course you can mix and match as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatoreleeray Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 i would rather have everything new idk used kind of makes nervous with spending that much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxsilence Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I've been looking through this thread and learned a lot. But i feel like maybe the recommended equipment is a little out of date? I'm ready to buy a whole new setup (for listening) which i worked my ass off for and just want to make sure i do it correctly. I have like two grand for a complete setup and i've just been stuck on what i should get. I was leaning towards the rpm1 from pro-ject and a5 speakers but now i'm not so sure. I feel like i might have enough money to upgrade. I feel like maybe if theres something better i should check it out. Guys! What do i do!? How should i spend this $2000 to have a wonderful setup? I'm coming from a lp-120 but i want my next setup to be legit and last me a while lol. I would really appreciate not being yelled at for asking / still being a beginner or being made fun of because you guys are my only hope to help me! There are so, so many combination choices. I'm sure others with more experience will chime in (or have chimed in by the time I press post). But if I'm in your position, I'm looking to spend $700 on an integrated amp, $700 on speakers and then $600 on a table. Obviously used is a better value across the board, but especially in speakers and amp here. But if you're hard set on new, something like a Cambridge 651a ($549 on amazon), B&W 685 S2 ($700) , and a Rega RP1 or Debut Carbon Espirit ($450-600). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatoreleeray Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I'm definitely going to check the other tables you recommended but is the Espirit the better option as opposed to the rpm1? Every time i try to compare i just get overwhelmed or i forget and i don't have much free time to really sit down and do research. I've been working 12 hour days like today right now lol. (Pizzeria life) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 by way of example, I spent almost exactly $2k on my current setup by watching pretty closely for good deals on newish/used gearTable - Marantz TT 15-S1 - $1k as a B-Stock itemAmp - Marantz PM8004 - $500 used from a dealer on eBay.Speakers - Monitor Audio RX1s - $500 new on clearance.New/retail the above would have run me well over $3k The speakers/turntable were pretty low risk as I bought them from authorized dealers (Audio Advisor and Music Direct respectively) The amp was a bit of a gamble--good rule of thumb might be to consider going used (from a reputable source) if you're saving ~50% off the street price. Dominic_ and BKO5950505 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajxd Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Never pay full price for anything. Dominic_ and BKO5950505 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatoreleeray Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Already thank you guys for the quick replies and awesome information. I cannot wait to be off tomorrow and come back to this thread and start looking everything up! Dominic_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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