thejesseb Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 How long until TeenageEric make an inappropriate joke and gets banned again? somethingvinyl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I think the thing that pisses me off the most about this makes me feel sick, is that a kid who was doing nothing wrong got killed and court determined that his murder was justified. The fact that it was legally determined that Trayvon Martin deserved to die makes me nauseous. you and victimofadriveby pretty much nailed it. no matter what actually occurred- trayvon would probably be getting stoned with his friends right now if some shitbag didn't start trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamb117 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 pretty sure i read the president of the NAACP proclaimed it would file a civil suit on trayvon's behalf. the prosecutors went for broke by trying to charge zimmerman with second-degree murder, yes, but they also charged him with manslaughter and he was also acquitted for that. so it's not simply the fault of the prosecution as much as it is flawed legislation and judicial processes. i get why he was acquitted -- not saying it's justfied whatsoever, but i get it. travyon's defense died with him, which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I could be wrong but didn't they try to tack on the manslaughter charge toward the end of the trial? Kjm23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mando Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I think some of you aren't really seeing the case for what it was in a legal standpoint. He was being tried for 2nd degree murder and only 2nd degree, it wasnt until the last couple days that the prosecution tried to throw manslaughter charges in there (way too late to put the defense on their heels) when they realized there was no chance at a murder 2 conviction. As shitty of a law as stand your ground is...it had little to do with this case in court because of the murder 2 charge despite it being the centerpoint of the media, on the other hand if they would of been smart and charged him with manslaughter from day 1, we would probably be looking at a different outcome. Basically, 2nd degree charge put all the pressure on the prosecution to prove that zimmerman got out of his car that night with an intent to kill the kid before any sort of confrontation happened...on the other hand manslaughter would of put all the pressure on the defense with the evidence against zimmerman as being the instigator by stalking, confronting the kid, etc. mrc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mando Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Let me add..when the prosecution says something like "well maybe trayvon was on top but was in the process of stepping backwards when he was shot"...during a demonstration to prove that zimmerman was on top, you kinda lose reasonable doubt, probably lost the jury at that point as well, and definitely suck at your job as a prosecutorAnd I dont blame the jury for the outcome, anyone who watched any of the trial knows it was pretty much a clusterfuck from a prosecution standpoint from day 1. As much as zimmerman deserves time in jail, the system allows him to pull shit like this and walk. Its not up to a jury in one case to change an entire system by undermining the way the system works just because zimmerman is an asshole. Changes have to be made from the top down not on s case by case basis. I actually like that the jury judged the case based on the trial alone, its very easy to let your emotions tell you to throw the book at someone despite what and how things are working within the realm of the court of law. The prosecution failed, the system failed..not the jury mrc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 with the way double jeopardy works, if they had not put manslaughter out there at the end and just left it at second degree, could they have charged him with manslaughter later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamb117 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 I could be wrong but didn't they try to tack on the manslaughter charge toward the end of the trial? as i read more about it, that's what it sounds like. bad moves on the prosecution's part all the way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajismetal Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Checking in from Florida. No riots yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickman31 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Checking in from Florida. No riots yet. There are mass protests in NYC and supposed riots in LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajismetal Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 There are mass protests in NYC and supposed riots in LA That's crazy, one of my good friends lives about 15 minutes from the courthouse and said nothing was going on haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Quik Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Obligatory umpteenth opinion about the Zimmerman case. Hopefully this a level headed response. Did I think Zimmerman committed a crime? Yes. Did he profile Treyvon Martin? Probably. Did Zimmerman need to start the confrontation? No. Did I think both parties escalated the confrontation? Yes. Does this constitute second degree murder? No. I feel this is a case of overzealous nobody neighborhood watchman needed to confront kid who was angry he was confronted and therefore both felt the need to "stand their ground." Turns out one of them was armed and someone else ended up dead. Ensue media firestorm. This was a case of manslaughter from the beginning, but overzealous prosecutors went for broke and lost with the attention of everyone. Lots of losses all around, including sanity, justice, and a young teen of who may have been troubled. In the end, America proves with lots of attention we can't get anything right. A man who was guilty of something walks free. So tired of this case. TL: DR I hate Florida. Yes I said it. Glad some people agree. How did Martin escalate the confrontation? Because he was black? He RAN AWAY from Zimmerman, he was then confronted by him and rightfully beat his ass, only to get killed by the guy who started the fight he was losing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickman31 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 That's crazy, one of my good friends lives about 15 minutes from the courthouse and said nothing was going on haha. Just saw this posted http://instagram.com/p/bxUTLpnT-s/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Tea Papi Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Just saw this posted http://instagram.com/p/bxUTLpnT-s/ That's crazy! thanks for the share! I really would love to see where this goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickman31 Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 That's crazy! thanks for the share! I really would love to see where this goes. Follow this twitter, they take info right off 911 scanners https://twitter.com/911BUFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajismetal Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Just saw this posted http://instagram.com/p/bxUTLpnT-s/ What is that even proving? In my opinion it just makes them look ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Shock value, but in the end they are merely trying to express how they feel about the verdict. I wouldn't have taken it in that direction, but I won't judge them for their choice...freedom right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 How did Martin escalate the confrontation? Because he was black? He RAN AWAY from Zimmerman, he was then confronted by him and rightfully beat his ass, only to get killed by the guy who started the fight he was losing At first I was like: Yeah that's exactly what I said. Martin was black so it means automatic escalation and his fault right? Also nice observation of the fact I mentioned Zimmerman profiled Martin. But then I was like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Tea Papi Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 My opinion on this case is that Nancy Grace needs to never utter another word, ever. Fuck that dumb bitch souljacker8888 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipsterasfolk Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 FL \m/ All the discussions around the matter have such poor grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Quik Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 At first I was like: Yeah that's exactly what I said. Martin was black so it means automatic escalation and his fault right? Also nice observation of the fact I mentioned Zimmerman profiled Martin. But then I was like in your post you said "Did I think both parties escalated the confrontation? Yes" explain to me how Martin escalated this confrontation? Knowing that he was confronted first, ran away and followed by ZImmerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryq Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 How did Martin escalate the confrontation? Because he was black? He RAN AWAY from Zimmerman, he was then confronted by him and rightfully beat his ass, only to get killed by the guy who started the fight he was losing I think your first question is pretty much the main question in this whole case: what happened between zimmerman's phone call and trayvon being on top of him and punching him? I also disagree with your assertion that he "rightfully beat his ass". were you there? if so, you probably should have testified in court. if not, I'd suggest not thinking it's your right to beat someone up -- if you pick the wrong guy, he may kill you in self-defense. and it looks like zimmerman's suing NBC for defamation by misquoting him during his call to the police Here’s how NBC News, in a March 27, 2012, broadcast of the “Today” show, abridged the tape of Zimmerman’s comments to a police dispatcher on the evening of Feb. 26, 2012: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black. The full tape went like this: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Quik Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 I think your first question is pretty much the main question in this whole case: what happened between zimmerman's phone call and trayvon being on top of him and punching him? I also disagree with your assertion that he "rightfully beat his ass". were you there? if so, you probably should have testified in court. if not, I'd suggest not thinking it's your right to beat someone up -- if you pick the wrong guy, he may kill you in self-defense. and it looks like zimmerman's suing NBC for defamation by misquoting him during his call to the police He was being followed, he ran away, you don't think he should defend himself? Or should he just let the racist nut continue to hunt him down like he's on some reality show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 he shouldn't have run away if he wasn't doing anything wrong/didn't have anything to hide. pulling the race card is basically just an ad hominem attack against zimmerman. i don't think it would have mattered if martin was black or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectivemike Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 Regardless of race... A grow adult followed and eventually shot and killed a teenager for being where the fully grown adult thought he shouldn't be. And he's going to walk away without so much as a slap on the wrist from the justice system. If you can't see the problem with that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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