Oblivions

Was this Dr. Space Mummy 7" released? And was it a proper single or a 2 minute TV show song? All my research turned up was a separate 7" for Burger Rain, a TV show song, which is being sold for $19.99. 

I have never liked the Beatles but I'll stop short of declaring their music as bad for everyone.

Nm.

Dear Lord, it's finally happening.

21 minutes ago, aopps42 said:

Based on his version of things, I don't see why he is apologizing for anything.  

You can apologize for things, even if those things aren't criminal acts or if they aren't at the level of Jesse Lacey or other entertainment 'scandals'. We let down people we care about all the time, often in small or subtle ways, and we feel sorry for it and apologize. In his specific case, it's hard to know exactly what to make of what he's shared. There is the best case scenario, which is that he is a good dude who got into some murky waters as far as treating women poorly/uncaringly, him being in a semi-popular band helped facilitate that, and he wants to do a personal inventory before he tries to go on tour again, and there is the other scenario, which is that he did something pretty bad and he is getting out ahead of it with his version which minimizes and frames things to his advantage. I really hope it's the former and that the person he's referencing is OK.

Why are we talking about Jesse Lacey and the way his actions affect the context around his music? The real story is that the guy from the Who killed someone and, for some reason, no one here wants to talk about it.

We need a petition for Nada Surf to cover all of Brand New's discography so it can be listenable again.

Edit: so it can be listenable.*

$60 is a great price. You have to remember that buying music, especially on vinyl, is an event and it only happens one to two times a year- three if Taylor Swift, Coldplay, and Adele release records in the same year.

I'm trying to be sincere here so I apologize in advance if I can't help but veer into snark. Asking whether perhaps the victims are more deserving of culpability/scrutiny or the perpetrator less deserving of culpability/scrutiny is not playing devil's advocate or providing a thoughtful perspective that has been overlooked. It is literally regurgitating how a majority of people have viewed abuse since the beginning of time.

Adding "I'm not blaming the victim but" or "I'm not taking away the severity of what he did but" before immediately proceeding to blame the victim or take away the severity of what the perpetrator did does not relieve yourself of the burden of bearing the negative reaction you know you'll receive.

Instead of saying "Here's something no one has said or considered", preface your rant with "I know this is the same opinion everyone comes up with when they pull a theory out of thin air but, for the sake of allowing me to participate,  what if the victim is to blame/the perpetrator wasn't fully responsible/this is all actually about *your* hypocrisy?"

Ugh. I knew I'd end with snark. Sorry!

Just now, KingTacoMunster said:

come on @Shitty Rambo if this post doesn't constitute locking it  up, then I have no idea what does. obviously nothing...

If they are being sincere, they sure have an 'interesting' perspective of the world. My instincts tell me that it's likely a smoothie of trolling and lashing out though. Either way, it's a bummer that, of all the words and ideas someone can share on this particular subject, those are the ones they decided to go with.

13 minutes ago, jonnywreck said:

I think your view of "rehabilitation" is... dead wrong. Rehabilitation is not relieving, comforting, AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT an escape from consequences.

My post wasn't fully specific to yours, more of a general comment toward the idea that we are "missing" something when we condemn Lacey and the actions without a "but..." or any caveats. But, for the sake of clarity, I do think you can just say what you meant (that rehabilitation is important and "rehabilitation isn't an escape from consequences") and leave out the part about people being in glass houses and public hangings.

I agree with you that rehabilitation is important but, IMO, the other comments are kind of a muddy cloud of ideas that feel like a plea to leave him alone, divert his culpability toward mental health (which is its own huge debate), and deflect the attention put toward his actions toward the public reaction. It sounds like you didn't mean to convey those latter ideas, so you probably don't need to mix a good point about rehabilitation with an angsty middle finger toward people who want legal accountability.

If I am really far off from your intent and meaning, I apologize. I'm OK spending words trying to clarify and reach agreement but I don't want to start side arguments that take us away from the needed attention toward Lacey and how his actions deserve consequence (and rehabilitation!), especially if its due to a mistake in my reading comprehension.

3 minutes ago, jonnywreck said:

I had started to type something like this out but didn't quite know how to put it. Basically, aside from what's been confirmed and is currently coming out - a lot of y'all need to just queue up the majority of your record collections. I've had friends that have toured with the majority of bands I enjoy and y'all enjoy and the stories I've heard are plentiful.

 

Also - I find it weird that very few people have mentioned rehabilitation for these individuals. It's just "THEY SHOULD BE IN JAIL" and other really nice wishes. You forget that these individuals are human beings, however reprehensible their actions may be, and I think it's important to remember mental health plays  A HUGE ISSUE in these kinds of attacks. But yea, let's go ahead and bring out the pitchforks and hang anyone and everyone that has ever committed a heinous crime. I'm sure the lot of you would all be safe, I imagine, since you're throwing those pebbles so goddamn hard in that glass house from which y'all are shouting.

Something to consider is that victims live for a long time being doubted, called liars, having their flaws magnified, and being dehumanized, all because someone else victimized them. Meanwhile, almost instantly and sometimes prior to being outed, perpetrators often experience the opposite. They are more likely to be humanized, have their actions minimized, have their feelings prioritized and protected, and have friends/fans advocate for them to be rushed past the consequences phase and into the forgiveness phase.

Jesse Lacey didn't wake up one morning inserted into another person's mess. He did what he did to those women and he was able to continue being a rock star with a cult-following with little public fall out and start a family and lead his life. If you really feel for him and wish him relief and comfort and an escape from these consequences, consider the last 15 years an advance payment of that empathy and comfort. Now, the grace period has ended and he's reaping what he's sown.

I didn't even think about how Jesse Lacey grooming underage girls for sexual encounters and fans boycotting his records affects eBay and Discogs sellers.

34 minutes ago, Derek™ said:

“I am going to completely smear this man’s reputation after a decade by revisiting this experience and bringing it to the public.  I could potentially prove that what I am saying is 100% true, but I don’t know if I feel like revisiting the experience.”

 

Alright man.  Because that logic doesn’t necessarily check out to me, I guess I’m disgusting?  Great to know.  It’s also worth noting that I made that post as soon as the first accusation was made, well before Jesse’s statement.  Fuck me for trying to keep a rational head and consider a larger picture, right?  I still refer to the Conor Oberst incident, where a lot of people jumped the gun and immediately assumed he was a piece of shit without a shred of evidence.  Did you scoff at those people too?  What happens when the accused culprit turns out to be innocent?  “Oh, whoops, looks like you guys were right and the whole thing was fabricated.  My bad! lol”  Am I close?

 

But the fact Jesse made his statement after my post, and didn’t even address the age gap, is certainly concerning and really makes it impossible for anyone to defend him.  Wish it wasn’t the case, but short of spelling out exactly what happened, I think we can all deduct that he’s rightfully in hot water and that more claims will bubble up to the surface, from the sounds of it.

You're starting from a position that the victim is not credible and then you proceeded to look through their social media account looking for clues.  That is not what I'd call a rational response. 

What are the characteristics of a credible victim? Is there a consistent enough set of behaviors amongst all victims of this kind of crime that one can confidently decide which are credible? Who decides whether a victim's behavior, absent of the law's assessment, is credible or believable or correct? Would that person need any training or skills to be able to confidently make those assessments? If there is an absence of enough information to answer any of these questions reliably, what do the national statistics on victims of this crime say about false reports?

As boring as they are, those are rational questions you might ask if your gut instinct is to doubt the victim. Instead, what a lot of people have done, is try to improvise their own theory or philosophy on assault using very faulty information (such as their love of Brand New/Jesse Lacey, their memory of the Conor Oberst case, their gut feelings about women, their gut feelings about men, and, in extreme cases, overt propaganda against women). It makes total sense that you'd mishandle the reaction to this if you're cranking out a hot take on the fly but, if you really are trying to be rational and helpful, please be open to your initial assessment being misguided. Please don't double down on your on-the-fly hot take when you're presented with information that is new to you in regards to this specific case and also sexual assault/harassment cases, in general. The person "correcting" you may be doing it in a dickish way and I know it sucks to have someone mock or push back against something you came up with but please temporarily overlook that frustration and be open to the idea that women have some decent information to add to your perspective and that phrases like "believe victims" are used for a reason and that reason isn't to eradicate due process of law or to personally emasculate the male gender.

There will be bad dudes who will delight in running victims through the mud, making LOL memes about sexual assault, and pretending to love sexual harassers/assaulters. Don't fall on their side of this stuff. Be OK with making mistakes and improving your reactions to these stories. At the very least, if you're not ready to go full 'believe victims', give the person speaking out a little more space and don't be the 100th dude saying "What happened to innocent until proven guilty/It says on her Tumblr that she is bipolar/She could have lied to him about her age" etc etc.

There are some good conversations about this happening on less HARDxCORExLOLxBRO forums if you poke around. Really sad that so many people who hold positions of respect and admiration have used those positions to do these things but glad there are finally consequences.

3 hours ago, timsimmons said:

I’m not even buying this because that German pressing sounds so good. 

I have that German one too. All research pointed to that one as the pressing to get.

15 minutes ago, timsimmons said:

I wish the vinyl included the demos or the live tracks. Weird that they do a deluxe vinyl for Out of Time, but not Automatic. 

Yeah. And the Automatic bonus songs seem way better and less redundant than the Out of Time duplicate demos they put on the 3xLP edition. Maybe the OoT deluxe didn't sell too well?

Black Numbers is sick. Everyone grab two of these.

Maybe the Deluxe just comes with a free copy of the new deluxe St. Vincent record.

Dig these dudes.

As with past pre-orders, everything ships from the UK so shipping is steep for US customers. I'll pick up a deluxe copy on Amazon when it gets there.

3 hours ago, Snaggle Von Swift said:

Another very basic song. I am running low on faith in this album.

Her boyfriend loves her like she's Brand New?

I hope they play Pacific Daydream in full and then a second set of 4-5 tracks from Raditude and Hurley.

11 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said:

The impression I got from the Joe Rogan episode is that he seems really detached from reality. Can't tell if he's lying about meeting with these various "insider" folks, or if he actually believes he has. It's kinda sad tbh.

If there is one thing I learned from watching 25 minutes of the HBO Scientology documentary, it is that people will straight up lie and distort reality if they think they are doing it in service of a noble cause or project. He might believe his pseudo-science media empire is so valuable to the world of entertainment that it's worth blending reality and fiction to tell a captivating meta-story about aliens and time travel.

33 minutes ago, MCDELTAT said:

Eh.... have you ever noticed the "Data Quality" graph on the bottom left of a bands page?

That image is from August Burns Red's band page on Discogs. Apparently none of it should be trusted. The reason I say the rules should be slightly looser at the beginning is because technically what's supposed to happen is once all the information is in, then the group of owners or fans is supposed to hold a vote to confirm the information is complete and accurate. But that part never really happens. Some magic gnome that also happens to be a fan puts up information, we add it, and maybe fix one or two things. We should allow more people to create release pages early on, at the cost of accuracy, because we already have the ability to clean it up and vote later.

You're describing your own approach to adding information to a database but I think it's different than the one Discogs has chosen and enforces. It looks like people do often add information however they think is best but then it gets removed or edited to fit the official rules. I don't know that there's a way to effectively circumvent that moderation.

It also sucks when it's been like 3 days since the show premiered, you've been too busy to watch more than 3 episodes, and your iPhone keeps sending you news article alerts about "Creators of Stranger Things discuss the heart-breaking twist of Season 2" and "How this scene in the first season of Stranger Things predicted the chilling finale of Season 2".  It's been less than a week! Let me be with the references to twists and finales!