You got it. I'm glad you didn't have that Numero collection. That coffee is my favorite. I saw those metal Star Wars sets and thought they looked pretty cool. Those Merry Chistmas Dave.
I say this with apologies to Don Martin 3, Moonraker, Junction, Ashes, Split Lip & Indian Summer. (I couldn't decide if Shift should be considered emo - sorry if anyone feels it a slight)
Not considered: any band that had 12 t-shirt designs before releasing an album. So pretty much anything post-2000. I'm overstating and making a bit of a joke here. There are some very good records and more coming that in my opinion stay true to the original vision of the genre - I dig what Old Gray is up to for instance.
All that said Copper "Drag Queen" is emo perfection start to finish. It's a hauntingly beautiful record that within those microgrooves you can hear all the passion that went into a group of people trying to express something that by extension captures brilliantly a moment in time when punk and hard-core were taking a step in another direction.
Why a new thread? Just lock it. This isn't a debate, it's a statement so others can get turned onto what I think is an overlooked and lost album from an amazing era of music.
That video is not a fair criticism of Van Halen's 2007 reunion tour. What happened was the synth playback was triggered at the wrong frequency—it should've been at 44.1K but was played back at 48K, about 1.5 semitones higher than normal. Eddie tried to transpose the guitar part on the fly but couldn't figure it out in time.
That apology is the worst. Laughably bad.
To the question about separating art from the artist: it's nearly impossible to know that a shitty person created a form of expression and enjoy it. That music is a direct expression of their very being hatred and all. I gave up on them a long time ago and feel right in having done so - music is human expression and we know what these assholes are expressing there is no between-the-lines. I finally am divesting of Kozelek related shit myself for this very reason.
Keep listening if you want but don't decieve yourself into thinking there is separation. This is their art. They created it. They own it. There are awful people involved.
That apology is the worst. Laughably bad.
To the question about separating art from the artist: it's nearly impossible to know that a shitty person created a form of expression and enjoy it. That music is a direct expression of their very being hatred and all. I gave up on them a long time ago and feel right in having done so - music is human expression and we know what these assholes are expressing there is no between-the-lines. I finally am divesting of Kozelek related shit myself for this very reason.
Keep listening if you want but don't decieve yourself into thinking there is separation. This is their art. They created it. They own it. There are awful people involved.
PEOPLE: IF you already received your package and am waiting for Xmas, we understand, but please if you received it, make note or a mention and that you're waiting so your secret santa doesn't get bummed out/disappointed/worried (it may have been left on your porch and stolen)..
IF YOU ALREADY OPENED YOUR PACKAGE - TAKE A PHOTO. there's nothing more shitty than not making posting a photo as a common courtesy. Show at least a little gratitude.
Update Dec 3rd:
Since a lot of you failed to send on time, I would assume whomever is sending late is sending via priority or 1st class or something.
here are the people who haven't contacted me with confirmation:
Family friendly rap god, double d, Daftyler, Smailtronic, A.K. Aych, youinreverse, Mean 3arls, thejesseb, J.Cantah - HIT ME UP ASAP REGARDING YOUR PACKAGES. IF i don't hear from you within 5 days, i'll assume you flaked and will go from there. (fi you got ahold of me already, disregard)
if you are sending late please try to pay for a faster form of shipping so your packages get to their destinations on time.
Update: Sept 16th: Hey guys, please do an "ABOUT ME" page:
Tokimedo, Brusker Du, onlettingjoe, thefavoriteplay, cesar11, J.Cantah, Smailtronic, Family friendly rap god, gentlemanjerseydave, jessieb, Kevin !
Update: Sept 12 - People if you haven't posted your "about me" in the thread, please do asap. only take a few minutes of your time.
Update: Sept 7: If you see your name listed here, please contact me for you secret santa info. If your name isn't listed, contact Lauren (themeconspiracy) for your info.
If you failed to leave a tradelist, please don't complain if you get something you already have or not any music related items at all.
If you failed to get me your complete info, as of 5pm, you'll be crossed off the list.
Names:
Daftyler deadreckoning Kevin ! daegor Sterling Malory Archer Family friendly rap god double d Brock N Roll Mean 3arls AJHall04 J.Cantah
Roadmonkey
acobraccuia
ianrees
thejesseb danionly Smailtronic
Diabretic Smikex13 A.K. Aych ronniegwilliams themeconspiracy Violentsharks87 youinreverse record_junkie gmoney seangj Gentlemanjerseydave ₱ṜịṈȻɆ (PRINCE)
Old Rule: POST A FUCKING TRADELIST!!!!! it really helps those who are buying records for people to not send off duplicates. It also keeps from me getting copious amounts of people asking questions. Don't have one. make one before signing up. Anyone not posting a tradelist gets a adam and eve catalog, along with other adult periodicals (maybe novelties (new and used)), sent to their house. So if you have kids or live with your parents, i suggest you do so. Unless you already have subscriptions, then please move along.
ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS ASKED OF YOUi I hate having to ask numerous times for pieces of info on 3 separate occasions just to get all your info. so please do this. if you miss something that isn't optional, and i don't get it, your'e name won't be on the list and it's up to you to figure that out and get me the proper info that you missed via PM. Please understand i'm here to help, but i'm not here to coddle you. Also if you failed to read the rules last year and failed at any part and had to have numerous messages sent to you......don't bother signing up. If you don't see your name, it might be because of that. if you think it was an error, by all means, PM me and we'll get it sorted out.
Newbies: You need to send by November 1st. so your package arrives before the date everyone else needs to send.
and now the rules: .............................................................................................................................................................................
VC Secret Santa 2015 Rules
Your Moderators will be Mike D. (controlthebleeding) & Lauren (themeconspiracy) Any questions regarding the sign up go to me initially. after we've stopped, then you'll contact the moderator that PM's. if they're basic questions, either one of us can help.
1. Everyone interested in participating must sign up via link: • Full Name (that means first and last at least) • Address (please place on one line only and not on three.) • Avatar name and original name registered under (your login name when logging into the board, this issue comes up every year because people switch names a lot and often, myself included, started my account with a different name…and when trying to track somebody down it can be impossible to find them) • (if you participated last year) the person you had last time, if you remember (to give you somebody new to buy for!). • The link to your trade list. (if it's a google spreadsheet, please make shareable) • Size of shirt just in case they have clothing in mind • If you’re willing to ship between USA and Canada,…(this will probably drastically increase your monetary involvement somewhat, no skimping on the gift value if you spending most of the agreed amount on postage, only agree to do this is you can afford to do it.). Also, overseas people are SOL this year unless you get someone in your area to sign up. The shipping overseas from the states has gotten way to expensive and it's not fair to anyone to have to pay say $50 to ship a package. • Send this info by the end of the day (wherever you are) Sept 2, 2015. This will be the cut off date unless we have an odd person and from there we’ll accept requests to take the missing spot. • Wait for confirmation (there will be a list underneath the rules and will be corrected daily)
below is the preferred format i would ask of you all as it's going into a excel sheet:
Name: Efrain Jordaci
Address: 2495 rockford lane, fleetwood mac, fl 95857 USA
Avatar/screen name/og screen name: riffrafff2 (aka slimeball 2)
tradelist: googleblahblahblah393848i$@@@@@
shirt size: L
Yes, i'm willing/No i'm not up to sending overseas
2. Buy a gift for the person you get spending no less than $20 and no more than ????. THere isn't a cap for gifts. These gifts can be vinyl, music related or just rad things you think they’ll like. It can be a few small things or one big thing, whatever. Don't send anything gross or crude (NO PORN, unless you know the person loves porn). If you don't know what your person likes, look up some of their posts and use what you've learned about them from this board as a guide. If you have questions ask around, or we'll ask for you. If you want to participate, you probably need to have a trade list; post the link in your signature so that your Secret Santa can get ideas of what to buy and what not to buy for you.
4. Pack up and send out your gift no later than November 8th. Unless you specify that you’ll agree to send packages to other countries, we’ll try to keep people to mailing within their own country, as easy cheap delivery confirmations don’t work for the USPS’s international Mail…but there are more deluxe forms of tracking, but all of them raise the price considerably for international mail. Pick the type of shipping most appropriate or affordable(in the US please remember media mail can ONLY be used for audio recorded material, books, video recordings on whatever format, ie: this is media, breaking this rule could cause your box, should it be inspected to be deemed mail fraud and not delivered, and if you’re lucky returned to sender, but most likely will be thrown away!). This is assuming that all people outside the US will use their countries equivalent delivery confirmation tracking information. • And this is very important: ALL PACKAGES ARE TO BE SENT WITH SOME SORT OF CONFIRMATION OR TRACKING. Send the tracking information to your Secret Santa Moderator once your package has been sent (that means you fuckers that doesn't follow rules), so we have a idea of who is sending what and when, also save your receipts just in case!!!! Everyone please use my address as the return address. Please be sure to put VC Secret Santa, ATT: Mike D., 2310 Sweet Clover Dr., Austin, TX 78745.
5. This year is same as last year. This year please include 1 or several (you choose) cd mixes with music you think said person might like. Hell send them music they might not have even heard. You never know. they might be turned on to something totally new they never even thought of listening to. Also include with the gift a piece of paper with three hints about who you are. It can be anything you want, your hometown, your favorite band, something anyone familiar with the board could figure out. Or, be vague…this is part of the fun!
6. When you receive your gift: • post what you got in this the main thread and guess who sent it to you. • PM your Secret Santa Moderator that you received your gift so we can mark you off our list. This is a must. I don't want to have to be PMing people daily to see if they received their gifts. Once its been noted, please, please say THANK YOU. There's nothing more thoughtless than not at least giving a “thank you.” It's rude to say the least!
7. If you don't receive your gift by December 7th, PM your moderator (me) AND post in the main thread (do not create a new thread) This means there has been a full month of allotted shipping time. We'll find a way to punish that person. If it arrives after that, we'll forgive them.
8. If you don't like what you got, feel free to swap with someone else, re-gift or sell the item. Please don't complain even if you didnt like the gift. it's the thought that counts. right?
9. On Jan. 1 (or shortly thereafter) we will reveal who everyone's Secret Santa was.
10. All new Boardies. Rather than completely disqualify you from participating, we need you to go through a few extra hoops in order to participate. All new board members (aka if you have less than 1000 posts, less than a year old, or have never participated in Secret Santa) are required, after all initial info is entered, to send first. and have a shipping date a little over a week shorter (NOV 1) than regular members. This is for good reason. We ask this so there's a less likely chance of anyone getting ripped off. Secondly, we ask this so your package arrives in a timely manner because once your package as been confirmed upon arrival (again, please send with confirm so we can track it) by your recipient, we will then allow your Secret Santa to send your gift. Hope you understand. *= not including those who deleted their accounts and re-joined, were part of last years Secret Santa gift exchange, or are longtime members but don't post often (again, we know who you are).
**Note to any future Secret Santa’s from overseas. We must have 2 of Secret Santas across the pond or in your area. There will be no overseas shipping anymore. Please remember to note that in your initial email/PM so we put people together in this instance. Be aware you might not be able to join. Last year someone had to spend $50 just to send said gifts, so please understand if we can't include you in the festivities. Our apologies.
***I also ask, once this starts rolling to have everyone hide who their recipient is until after everyone has received their gifts and figured out their Secret Santa or till we announce the list... it makes it more confusing and fun
This list of rules is not set in stone, feel free to make more suggestions and we'll alter it accordingly. This can be really fun if everyone holds up their end of the bargain.
It's the film I've been producing for the past 2.5 years. Premiere was amazing. Ehdawds on here came since he's Canadian. Figured a few VCers might dig this. Gratifying when people get what you set out to do as seems to be happening.
Also, all of you need to keep an eye out for the new film - I mention it out of selfish pride. November 12 is the US premiere (in NYC) and I might swing 2-4 tickets to give away on here.
I think people have to take a long hard look at why things like this are increasingly happening in this scene. Why do bands or band members think they can use the guitar around their neck as an invitation to violate a woman? People can laugh about the Riot Girl and Girls Up Front reaction fostered in the 90s - and certainly creeps existed - but they certainly knew they weren't welcome. Similar to how when I was a kid a wicked Neo-Nazi faction existed that is now by and large gone - it takes action and sometimes very forceful, direct and uncomfortable action. This isn't my scene but those of you that are fostering it are due for a swift and radical shift in attitude and direction. Don't wait for someone else to dictate it, take control and foster the environment you want to remember not the bullshit. People can laugh about some of the insane shit and bands we supported in the 90s but like fuck if there was a person in that room that wasn't welcomed and comfortable.
Good luck gang. Fuck the internet tirades and create the venues you want, create the music you want to hear and be among the people you want to love and support.
I think people have to take a long hard look at why things like this are increasingly happening in this scene. Why do bands or band members think they can use the guitar around their neck as an invitation to violate a woman? People can laugh about the Riot Girl and Girls Up Front reaction fostered in the 90s - and certainly creeps existed - but they certainly knew they weren't welcome. Similar to how when I was a kid a wicked Neo-Nazi faction existed that is now by and large gone - it takes action and sometimes very forceful, direct and uncomfortable action. This isn't my scene but those of you that are fostering it are due for a swift and radical shift in attitude and direction. Don't wait for someone else to dictate it, take control and foster the environment you want to remember not the bullshit. People can laugh about some of the insane shit and bands we supported in the 90s but like fuck if there was a person in that room that wasn't welcomed and comfortable.
Good luck gang. Fuck the internet tirades and create the venues you want, create the music you want to hear and be among the people you want to love and support.
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