There Will Be Hell Toupée! (The Donald Trump Thread)

[WAXXX]

8 minutes ago, GalacticMelt said:

Now that I watch some of these ABC videos, it seems these "protestors" are nothing more than punks wanting to start trouble, and they feel this is a good reason to. How come those morons standing on cars, kicking in tail lights and pushing down women weren't arrested for vandalism and assault? This is embarrassing for our country, no matter who is running for President.

yeah, that's riot behavior. it's one thing to protest, disagree, or offend, but to physically cause harm to others for exercising their freedom to support a presidential candidate is out of control.

not only that, but the mayor of san jose: sam liccardo (a Crooked Hillary supporter), had the audacity to blame TRUMP for causing the violence against his own supporters, even though he (sam liccardo) gave the order for police to stand down and not interfere.

 

[nancy_raygun]

11 minutes ago, GalacticMelt said:

Now that I watch some of these ABC videos, it seems these "protestors" are nothing more than punks wanting to start trouble, and they feel this is a good reason to. How come those morons standing on cars, kicking in tail lights and pushing down women weren't arrested for vandalism and assault? This is embarrassing for our country, no matter who is running for President.

It's not unusual for people to use violence to get points across.  If Trump is elected, I would fully expect for there to be riots.  I would agree that's not appropriate, but also might argue that these people are disenfranchised and angry and don't have a proper outlet.  So their actions aren't surprising, even if they are wrong.  And also the article does mention arrests.

 

21 minutes ago, WAXXX said:

there's more. even ABC is covering it: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/violence-breaks-trump-rally-san-jose-protesters-hurl/story?id=39576437

I can't watch the videos because I'm at work, but the article you posted seems much closer to the truth.  And doesn't mention anything about anti-Trump Hispanic men beating a white woman.

[WAXXX]

Just now, nancy_raygun said:

I can't watch the videos because I'm at work, but the article you posted seems much closer to the truth.  And doesn't mention anything about anti-Trump Hispanic men beating a white woman.

check em out. videos all over twitter. the graphic ones aren't really being picked up by mainstream media (except right wing).

when the "protesters" wave mexican flags and burn the american flag, it's not helping their cause, it's gonna help TRUMP instead.

video of one kid saying his parents came to USA illegally and that illegal immigrants shouldn't have to respect USA law.

[nancy_raygun]

8 minutes ago, WAXXX said:

check em out. videos all over twitter. the graphic ones aren't really being picked up by mainstream media (except right wing).

when the "protesters" wave mexican flags and burn the american flag, it's not helping their cause, it's gonna help TRUMP instead.

video of one kid saying his parents came to USA illegally and that illegal immigrants shouldn't have to respect USA law.

Eesh.  That doesn't sound great.  Still, one kid doesn't necessarily represent them all.

 

The flag burning has been an interesting issue.  I don't know if I agree that it helps or hurts Trump.  Because here's the thing: studies that I don't feel like tracking down right now but definitely exist have shown that Republicans and Democrats view the American flag differently.  It's why when you go to a Tea Party rally you see a lot of very clean flags and when you go to an Occupy Wallstreet rally, people are dragging flags, burning them, waving flags with corporate logos instead of stars.  Because Republicans tend to view symbols of patriotism as powerful and meaningful.  And generally Democrats just see them as pictures and symbols.  Or: someone on the left is far less likely to have an emotional reaction to a symbol of patriotism.

 

I don't remember if there was an exact reason why that was or not.  I'd have to look it up again.  (Something like the left is even a little wary of being too patriotic).  But if left-wing anti-Trump protestors burn American flags, it's not something that's going to radically affect a person who is also left-wing.  But it'll definitely piss off a right-winger and get a message into the media.  So it doesn't help their cause because it reinforces bias among the right-wing, but it doesn't hurt their cause because that bias pretty much already existed.

[nancy_raygun]

I mean, not that anything's ever 100% you know

[WAXXX]

1 minute ago, nancy_raygun said:

Eesh.  That doesn't sound great.  Still, one kid doesn't necessarily represent them all.

 

The flag burning has been an interesting issue.  I don't know if I agree that it helps or hurts Trump.  Because here's the thing: studies that I don't feel like tracking down right now but definitely exist have shown that Republicans and Democrats view the American flag differently.  It's why when you go to a Tea Party rally you see a lot of very clean flags and when you go to an Occupy Wallstreet rally, people are dragging flags, burning them, waving flags with corporate logos instead of stars.  Because Republicans tend to view symbols of patriotism as powerful and meaningful.  And generally Democrats just see them as pictures and symbols.  Or: someone on the left is far less likely to have an emotional reaction to a symbol of patriotism.

 

I don't remember if there was an exact reason why that was or not.  I'd have to look it up again.  (Something like the left is even a little wary of being too patriotic).  But if left-wing anti-Trump protestors burn American flags, it's not something that's going to radically affect a person who is also left-wing.  But it'll definitely piss off a right-winger and get a message into the media.  So it doesn't help their cause because it reinforces bias among the right-wing, but it doesn't hurt their cause because that bias pretty much already existed.

i understand that one kid doesn't represent them all, not all anti-TRUMPers wave mexican flags and burn AMERICAN flags, and not all protestors are going to sucker punch TRUMP supporters, egg them, hit them with a bag of rocks, or smash up their cars. 

however, i still think this helps TRUMP more than any other candidate. people thought he was being a mean bully when he said that mexico brings crime into the USA. now you have "protesters" outside his rallies waving mexican flags, burning AMERICAN flags, stating they are illegal immigrants and non-citizens on camera, and they are engaging in criminal activity. i try to refrain from making generalizations unless i'm trolling, but this feeds right into TRUMP's narrative.

there's video of a guy on a megaphone yelling: "make california mexico again." and another guy when asked why he hates TRUMP says: "because he's racist. fuck that cracka."

with 45% of the eligible population not voting last election, this is the type of stuff that sways moderates and gets people to take the day off work and cast a ballot.

[nancy_raygun]

Super off-putting you keep putting Trump and America in all caps and protestors in quotation marks.

 

3 minutes ago, WAXXX said:

with 45% of the eligible population not voting last election, this is the type of stuff that sways moderates and gets people to take the day off work and cast a ballot.

People aren't going to vote for a candidate just because they disagree with the way the media is presenting their detractors.  That's ridiculous. 

If anything, if they want to get rid of these people they vote for the person the protestors are advocating for, so that they'll just shut up.  There's no logic in voting for a person because you hate their protestors.  If they're elected, that's another 4 years of dealing with their protestors.  If they lose, protestors go home.

[WAXXX]

9 minutes ago, nancy_raygun said:

Super off-putting you keep putting Trump and America in all caps and protestors in quotation marks.

 

People aren't going to vote for a candidate just because they disagree with the way the media is presenting their detractors.  That's ridiculous. 

If anything, if they want to get rid of these people they vote for the person the protestors are advocating for, so that they'll just shut up.  There's no logic in voting for a person because you hate their protestors.  If they're elected, that's another 4 years of dealing with their protestors.  If they lose, protestors go home.

yeah, the TRUMP and AMERICA are over-the-top. i've said "protester" as a jab at the crooked media who covers these stories. you stop being a protester when you start punching people, breaking things, and smashing cars. the actual word is rioter.

i'm not saying that hordes of people will vote for TRUMP specifically because of the protesters and rioters. just that they will cause him to get more votes on top of many other reasons. i've seen a bunch of people on social media and know people in real life who have been vocal against TRUMP, but will now vote for him because they see how biased and crooked the media are in their coverage of any non-establishment candidate.

and there's absolutely logic to it. TRUMP has made it clear that he wants to deport illegal immigrants and build a wall. there's a significant portion of the protesters and rioters who are not citizens of the USA, especially from the riots in california and new mexico. sadly, many of them aren't even really advocating for anything, other than hate for TRUMP.

voting for the candidate that protesters and rioters prefer in order to get them to stop throwing a violent baby tantrum magnitudes of times greater than anything TRUMP himself has ever done, is a horrible choice. it's the equivalent of giving in to a terrorist's demands.

 

[WAXXX]

looks like some of the brawlers are bernie supporters: 

not sure what they'll do when it's TRUMP vs Crooked Hillary.

[Shitty Rambo]

37 minutes ago, nancy_raygun said:

Super off-putting you keep putting Trump and America in all caps and protestors in quotation marks.

 

People aren't going to vote for a candidate just because they disagree with the way the media is presenting their detractors.  That's ridiculous. 

If anything, if they want to get rid of these people they vote for the person the protestors are advocating for, so that they'll just shut up.  There's no logic in voting for a person because you hate their protestors.  If they're elected, that's another 4 years of dealing with their protestors.  If they lose, protestors go home.

I work with guys who are voting for Trump because they want to distance themselves from over-the-top Liberals and uninformed protesters. I'm Mexican, and there are a lot of us shouting, "Fuck Trump," for his marginally bigoted bullshit only. From my perspective, these are often individuals who don't know who our current vice president is, what the Federal Reserve is, or why price control is a negative thing. These are purely emtional reactions based on some dumb shit an idiot said. Using violence to get a point across is never ok. I also find it disgusting police will stand down during a situation like this but will straight up murder someone for committing a non-violent crime like selling cigarettes.

[stl_ben]

8 minutes ago, WAXXX said:

looks like some of the brawlers are bernie supporters: 

not sure what they'll do when it's TRUMP vs Crooked Hillary.

Vote for Hillary...because anyone is better Trump.

[WAXXX]

2 minutes ago, stl_ben said:

Vote for Hillary...because anyone is better Trump.

doubt it. Crooked Hillary isn't promising all the free shit at the expense of the working middle class.

although she is better than TRUMP at barking like a dog:

 

[WAXXX]

11 minutes ago, Shitty Rambo said:

These are purely emtional reactions based on some dumb shit an idiot said. Using violence to get a point across is never ok. I also find it disgusting police will stand down during a situation like this but will straight up murder someone for committing a non-violent crime like selling cigarettes.

agree.

don't forget that the police in san jose were ordered to stand down by the Crooked Hillary supporting mayor. police totally shut things down when TRUMP was in san diego. what happened in san jose was allowed to happen.

[AlexH.]

Wax, I'd love to get your thoughts on this mean nasty piece, really very nasty, from Crooked Hillary and her camp.

 

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/06/02/trump-literally-said-all-those-things/

 

Personally, I thought it was really very bad, just very mean to be quoting him on all the things he has said and providing citations. Bad!

[Shitty Rambo]

51 minutes ago, stl_ben said:

Vote for Hillary...because anyone is better Trump.

No, she's not. And voting for a lesser evil is still voting for an evil.

 

Trump is an ignoramus who can't even be trusted by his own party, however, unlike Hillary he also hasn't endorsed every single war that's happened in my lifetime and didn't play an active role in the destruction of Libya. I don't support Donald Trump, I would never vote for Donald Trump, but I cannot in anyway support a warhawk like Hillary Clinton. I'm sorry VC, but being a bigot isn't worse than being an advocate and profiteer of murder.

[Shitty Rambo]

Look, I'm actually getting pretty loose with the word 'bigot' here. He's said some ignorant/sexist bullshit but hasn't outright said anything malicious or blatantly racist. Not excusing his gross behavior by any means,  but he's not on stage doing a Lisa Lampanelli set.

 

If you guys have a couple free hours this weekend I highly recommend you listen to Gary Johnson's interview on Joe Rogan's podcast. He touches on a lot of the flaws between both parties, and how our quality of life could be better if we minimized the state and focused on legitmate issues that are slowing down the prosperity of this country and encroaching on all of our personal freedoms.

 

 

[WAXXX]

23 minutes ago, AlexH. said:

Wax, I'd love to get your thoughts on this mean nasty piece, really very nasty, from Crooked Hillary and her camp.

 

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/06/02/trump-literally-said-all-those-things/

 

Personally, I thought it was really very bad, just very mean to be quoting him on all the things he has said and providing citations. Bad!

TRUMP talking is much different than Crooked Hillary voting for war, bailing out the wall street banks, supporting the patriot act, failing to negotiate proper withdrawal of US troops from iraq, mishandling our involvement in libya, collecting money from saudi arabia, qatar, and other middle eastern nations in exchange for arms deals, laughing about getting a pedophile's case dismissed on a technicality, etc, etc....

i don't have the time this afternoon to talk about the dirt on Crooked Hillary. hell, there are books about it. SAD!

[Bladewillisisdead]

Lol forever at democratic socialism being "free stuff at the expense of the working middle class" 

[Shitty Rambo]

"Democratic  Socialism" is still Socialism. Throwing the word 'Democratic' in front of it doesn't change it's meaning at all. The state will continue to take money I've earned against my will by threatening to lock me in a cage if I refuse to pay it. Unless you know some teachers and doctor who are willing to work for free then I don't know where you think the money for labor, infrastructure, and utilities is going to come from.

 

I can't comprehend how anyone would think there's any method we could take from a socialist country and apply to our own without a disasterous outcome. Venezuela is in shambles while we have this conversation on the Internet via computers/phones (things that wouldn't exist without a freemarket or capitalism).

http://dailysignal.com/2016/06/03/venezuelas-crisis-is-the-latest-example-of-why-socialism-doesnt-work/

 

People need to stop treating college and health care like they're entitlements when really they're both privileges. Nobody is going to let you bleed out in the streets if you don't have health insurance, but if you're expecting regular treatment then you should expect to pay for it. College isn't any different, get a job and pay your way through it. If you can't afford it then learn a trade like plumbing or welding. We have enough social media marketing strategist and audio engineers anyways, ain't a damn thing wrong having a job that requires you to wear steel toe boots to work.

 

TL;DR

The government fucks everything up, stop trying to make it bigger.

[abovetheearth]

Rogan is a fucking toolbag

[abovetheearth]

Rogan is a fucking toolbag

[Jesus Of Suburbia]

To think this is my first time to vote for President... I don't want to vote for Trump and I don't want to vote for Hillary. I want Bernie to somehow find a way to be the nominee for the Democrats so I can be happy I'm not voting for one of two awful choices for President.

[Shitty Rambo]

4 hours ago, Jesus Of Suburbia said:

To think this is my first time to vote for President... I don't want to vote for Trump and I don't want to vote for Hillary. I want Bernie to somehow find a way to be the nominee for the Democrats so I can be happy I'm not voting for one of two awful choices for President.

 

Then look into third party candidate Gary Johnson. Your opinions probably align with his more than you think. Bernie Sanders isn't going to get the candidacy, and although I agree with him on several social issues, he's an economic illiterate. The stuff he's promising sounds great to young people and bleeding heart Liberals, logically it's impossible to do without taking money from the working class.

[NapalmBrain]

But Libertarians are just as economically illiterate IMO. Their whole lack of taxation view kind of collapses the economic system when you need it for public services and what not. The alternatives I hear Libertarians propose like selling off parts of the US and increased service fees don't seem more sane to me than returning to pre-Reagan tax brackets

[WAXXX]

14 hours ago, Shitty Rambo said:

"Democratic  Socialism" is still Socialism. Throwing the word 'Democratic' in front of it doesn't change it's meaning at all. The state will continue to take money I've earned against my will by threatening to lock me in a cage if I refuse to pay it. Unless you know some teachers and doctor who are willing to work for free then I don't know where you think the money for labor, infrastructure, and utilities is going to come from.

 

I can't comprehend how anyone would think there's any method we could take from a socialist country and apply to our own without a disasterous outcome. Venezuela is in shambles while we have this conversation on the Internet via computers/phones (things that wouldn't exist without a freemarket or capitalism).

http://dailysignal.com/2016/06/03/venezuelas-crisis-is-the-latest-example-of-why-socialism-doesnt-work/

 

People need to stop treating college and health care like they're entitlements when really they're both privileges. Nobody is going to let you bleed out in the streets if you don't have health insurance, but if you're expecting regular treatment then you should expect to pay for it. College isn't any different, get a job and pay your way through it. If you can't afford it then learn a trade like plumbing or welding. We have enough social media marketing strategist and audio engineers anyways, ain't a damn thing wrong having a job that requires you to wear steel toe boots to work.

 

TL;DR

The government fucks everything up, stop trying to make it bigger.