jerseydave77 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Some poor judge is going to have to listen to all this as evidence - or more likely some poor law clerk. That is a lot of money though. I'm not a fan of their music but I hope they give a good kick to Victory for all the bullshit he's pulled over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexH. Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Every band that comes out and stands up against Victory gains a great deal of respect in my book. Of course, they already lost a good amount of respect for signing to Victory in the first place (five-album deal? Exclusive merch rights? LOL) and being a shitty band in general, so they're up to about "meh". Although, props to them for figuring out a way to retain their copyright on the publishing and recordings (assuming I'm reading this right). From what I've heard, Victory holds onto all that so they can continue to put out reissues and greatest hits from now until the end of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrc Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Since everyone hates victory and all their bands, will someone please sell me a copy of the Buried Alive - Death of your perfect world LP for super cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Since everyone hates victory and all their bands, will someone please sell me a copy of the Buried Alive - Death of your perfect world LP for super cheap? haha. best Vogel band. period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopthisnoise Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I hope Victory and ADTR both end up losing from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmightbewrong Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Victory answers back http://www.scribd.com/doc/75791049/Victory-Statement-Re-ADTR-12-15-2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrc Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Since everyone hates victory and all their bands, will someone please sell me a copy of the Buried Alive - Death of your perfect world LP for super cheap? haha. best Vogel band. period I agree. I loaded up the Last rites on my ipod the other day and completely forgot how great they were. I still remember seeing them for the first time and being completely blown away. I believe it was when they toured with Boy Sets Fire and Snapcase. i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Oh those are some mighty hard lulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseydave77 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Victory answers backhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/75791049/Victory-Statement-Re-ADTR-12-15-2011 That is terrific. Can someone fill me in? What band that left Victory in a dispute eventually came back to "the fold"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I almost feel bad now for buying the Full Collapse repress. I love supporting Thursday, but loathe supporting Victory. What a shit show. I just hope that the band is privy to royalties for all the subsequent pressings of their album since 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Victory answers backhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/75791049/Victory-Statement-Re-ADTR-12-15-2011 That is terrific. Can someone fill me in? What band that left Victory in a dispute eventually came back to "the fold"? Taking Back Sunday still on a major (not them), Thursday went to Epitaph (not them), Hawthorne Heights went to Wind-Up and have now started a their own label (this is my best guess). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseydave77 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 All I see when I look at their back catalogue are a bunch of burned bridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youmightbewrong Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Okay I found this about Integrity resigning to Victory. Pretty funny though, in the biography it calles Tony Brummel, Tony Scummel. http://www.last.fm/music/Integrity/+wiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 That counter-statement from Victory's lawyer has to be one of the most unprofessional and back-handed things i've ever read from a "legitimate" company. The entire tone of the statement just rubs me the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjustinxschwierx Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 That is terrific. Can someone fill me in? What band that left Victory in a dispute eventually came back to "the fold"? Taking Back Sunday still on a major (not them), Thursday went to Epitaph (not them), Hawthorne Heights went to Wind-Up and have now started a their own label (this is my best guess). I think Thursday sued to get off the label but ended up owing them an EP, so that's why they did Five Stories Falling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appletree Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 wow interesting reads. unfortunately i too had not heard of a lot of the bands mentioned on pages 2 and 3. i started listening to music late around 15 or 16 and was listening to thursday and thrice. never knew about any of this with victory. i am by all means no lawyer, but that letter seems truly unprofessional, informal, and just laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selfreliable Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I dont think we should be talking about this on here, Tony Victory is going to come shut the board down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 i was in a band who played a fest we were approached by a label rep and got their (foil printed) business card, he said being at victory they only sign stuff that sells (knowing its generic) but he enjoyed our band and keep in touch. at a different music fest later victory was there handing out posters/samplers etc. one of my band mates defecated in the victory records bag at their table. /coolstorybro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottheisel Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Victory answers backhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/75791049/Victory-Statement-Re-ADTR-12-15-2011 That is terrific. Can someone fill me in? What band that left Victory in a dispute eventually came back to "the fold"? Thursday came back and released the Kill The House Lights CD/DVD with Victory in 2007. Hawthorne Heights released Fragile Future with Victory in 2008 after they lost their lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamason56 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 wow this is nuts. i applied there a few years back before i decided to go to college and got an offer but my living arrangement with a friend fell through so i couldn't take the job. kinda glad i didn't but after hearing all this i think it would have been fun at least for awhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry47591 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Note to bands: Don't sign a contract for 5 or 6 albums and then want out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 There's no doubt that Victory can help bands like this get extremely popular but there's also a very good chance that once you get that big you could get screwed over big time by them. Seems that every single band on that label thats gotten really big has ended up hating that label in the end. If ADTR gets released from their contract they will have multiple major labels and multiple major merch companies bidding on them. Basically if Victory has to release them the band will almost instantly get rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattisr1984 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 shitty band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry47591 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 There's no doubt that Victory can help bands like this get extremely popular but there's also a very good chance that once you get that big you could get screwed over big time by them. Seems that every single band on that label thats gotten really big has ended up hating that label in the end.If ADTR gets released from their contract they will have multiple major labels and multiple major merch companies bidding on them. Basically if Victory has to release them the band will almost instantly get rich. this is true but it is also why victory signs bands to very long contracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 That is terrific. Can someone fill me in? What band that left Victory in a dispute eventually came back to "the fold"? Thursday came back and released the Kill The House Lights CD/DVD with Victory in 2007. Hawthorne Heights released Fragile Future with Victory in 2008 after they lost their lawsuit. This is pretty telling in terms of bands being near permanently stuck with Victory if they sign with them. I can't imagine the bitterness they felt losing a lawsuit and then having to go back and flog another record for the same folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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