jase Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 It grinds my gears. Why bother recording it, if there is zero chance of ever playing it. I'm listening to bouncing souls - comet, and I can hear probably 6 songs they won't do. Why bother? Filler? Just record and EP Thoughts and opinions please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnywreck Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Like Paul Mccartney's latest releases. Each album has a few songs that I REALLY like and go downhill from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessedxcursed Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 the problem is with all the trickery in studios these days for some artists it's almost impossible to recreate in a live format without tons of extra musicians on stage blame technology codeine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dethrock Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 How many bands have you seen that actually play every song from their most recent album. Apart from these recent 10 year anniversary tours where they play an entire album, it doesn't really happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl_ben Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What about bands the record an album and never play live at all? Is Pet Sounds a better or worse album since one guy recorded it and didn't tour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laralaurent Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 ie - tom waits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotfactory Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I don't really understand the correlation between recording songs and playing them live. Not all musicians write songs with the intention to play them live...that seems like a weird motivating factor to me. bathroommonkey, kriss, codeine and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xadamhudsonx Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I don't really understand the correlation between recording songs and playing them live. Not all musicians write songs with the intention to play them live...that seems like a weird motivating factor to me. True. But isn't buying the album and enjoying the songs on it enough to purchase tickets to a live show the motivating factor for the consumers to fill that concert hall/stadium/tiny backroom club or wherever? If they're not going to hear the songs they enjoyed on the recording, what's the motivation to buy tickets allowing that artist to tour? codeine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseydave77 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Since Maniacal Laughter I've been of the opinion The Souls are essentially writing towards a greatest hits collection or two. I felt Comet was their best start to finish album in years however. Now, let's be honest - if they ever did do a 2xLP or CD Greatest Hits collection it would be so damn killer. Their best stuff is truly great and they have a ton of it. xadamhudsonx and GradedOnACurve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Sgt Peppers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 contracts obligate artists/bands to record x number of full length albums, generally defined by a number of tracks, or length of time, so yeah, probably a number of tracks are just filler just to fulfill their obligation with their label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 As someone who played in several bands over the last 11 years, we never once wrote a song with the intention of calling it "filler" or to not be able to play it live. Songs just evolve in the studio. That "filler" label is added by the listener, and songs you think are there just to pad out the album might be someone else's (or even the band's) favorite song. I saw Bouncing Souls earlier this year, they played a ton of songs from Comet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanchardoswald Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 To me, this is like saying "Why write a story if you're not gunna read it live". Plenty if bands record music for the sake of the art, so be it if they don't perform live. daegor, kriss, codeine and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsofvipers Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 To me, this is like saying "Why write a story if you're not gunna read it live". Plenty if bands record music for the sake of the art, so be it if they don't perform live. this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Dodecahedron did this. Released the best album of 2012, no intentions to tour. They said in an interview they were offered to play festivals, but didn't want to, because they would want to have everything absolutely perfect if they ever perform live. (Sound at festivals can be an issue.) I can't really blame them, their album is fucking perfect, and they could obviously pull it off, I think it's just a question of having absolutely perfect sound. I think in their case, it's a matter of integrity, every aspect of the album was overseen by members of the band. If you check the album out, you'll probably see what I mean. Also, the main dude is a member of Exivious, so it might be hard to line things up with prior commitments. Doesn't mean it will never happen, though. Heard they are doing a 2nd album, so maybe they'll play live one day after that comes out.Lots of good points brought up here, I can understand where people are coming from on both sides of the debate. Still, if I had to choose between live and recorded music, as much as I love certain albums, I would still have to choose live every time. Bands who suck live, and get by on studio trickery can just go break-the-fuck-up. I think the only exception would be: if you are a solo artist with a 'full band' vision, and cannot find competent musicians to play the other parts. In that case you'd have to record everything yourself and use the recording in order to one day, hopefully, round out an actual live band to perform the material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl_ben Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Should Bowie have not released the new album with no plans to tour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 He probably shouldn't have released that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crime Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 It grinds my gears. Why bother recording it, if there is zero chance of ever playing it. I'm listening to bouncing souls - comet, and I can hear probably 6 songs they won't do. Why bother? Filler? Just record and EP Thoughts and opinions please Ummm I saw The Souls play shortly after they release Comet and they played probably close to 90% of the songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Ummm I saw The Souls play shortly after they release Comet and they played probably close to 90% of the songs.So 9/10 songs. At a record release tour or show that's kind of expected.But this wasn't directed solely at them. I was just listening to comet at the time and thinking how most of it won't be played again. I know and understand bands have limited time to play each night. Though I'm also pretty tired of seeing bands that have been together for 10+ years playing essentially the same set give it take 2 songs time after time. I saw the queers back in about 06 over here and they played about 40 songs. Including literally any request from the audience that was yelled out. I guess what I'm getting at is when bands practice 40 minute sets, and maybe two covers. Then get given 30 minutes to play. Which means limited chances of actually ever changing any of their sets dramatically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I don't really understand the correlation between recording songs and playing them live. Not all musicians write songs with the intention to play them live...that seems like a weird motivating factor to me. Best example is Zao. They came into a situation where it was impossible to tour going forward (jobs, family, living in opposite corners of the country, etc). Rather than hang it up, they (slowly) work on studio only albums that will probably never see the light of day live. I am hugely grateful that they'd continue to do that rather than call it quits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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