Things have been going really well for me lately and with my last few years' track record, that's kinda unprecedented. I think transitioning has been massively positive for my mental health and had a sort of cascading influence on other facets of my life. I saved four months of rent when covid cut my lease short and the semester went online (moved back in with my dad until next semester), and my new landlord said she won't start charging me for rent/deposit unless my university confirms they're going to be open in the fall. With the money I saved, I finally decided to upgrade my TT and cart after five goddamn years. Those should be arriving next week, and I'm incredibly excited.
I definitely didn’t gloss over it. But the 3-4 posts that immediately followed Toki’s post basically confirmed my suspicion: of any band’s fandom, I would assume that Limp Bizkit’s is probably the most tone-deaf and oblivious to allegations of that variety.
I wasn’t going to say anything about it because I’ve already taken some shots at this release, and figured “moving on” without any more shit-posting would probably be in the best interest of everyone. But since you mentioned it and literally 1 or 2 people at most have said anything about it today… here I am. Ya’ got me.
If anyone wants to accuse me of “riding a high horse” when I say that I’ve literally never given Ross or his label a penny, I’ll die on this steed. Trash human runs a trash label specializing in trash music. Who coulda’ pieced that together?
Note that this isn’t a jab at anyone who’s admitted to enjoying garbage like Limp Bizkit, ironically or not. Historically though, I mean look at what this dude churns out. It’s all cartoon soundtracks and liquid filled video game OSTs, with some occasional high school emo pop / punk sprinkled in for good measure.
None of this will stop the determined nostalgia bruhs from scrambling to buy this on Friday. It will sell out in moments and Ross will continue to print money by regurgitating more copies of the same variants ad nauseam. But at least now I’ve properly bitched about it.
I went thru the first 20 pages of this thread and multi quoted lots of stuff as to shady ass shit ross has done over the years. can we get back to not posting his releases on this board?
Also, it has just come to light that Ross is an abuser (see bottom)
to top it all off, his ex (who used to post on these boards) came forward and revealed that he was an abuser.
I dont know about yall, but i wont ever support someone who mentally and physically abuses people.
Jeff, that's not a very punk rock attitude. I waited 9 months (twice!) for a kid and I'm not pleased either, but I'm tired.
Honestly, I just feel like you're wrong.
And I think you're so mean.
Maybe you try.
I feel like you need this in your life.
I know you're scared,
you waited too much.
Talking shit is why the internet exists. It's good.
He ran Suburban Home Records, a low-to-mid-tier punk label. Circa 2006 he founded Vinyl Collective, which consisted of:
A Proboards forum, which through an arcane series of events eventually became this website here
A vinyl-only distro – pretty novel at the time as the vinyl revival was just starting to take off. At that point the main punk/hardcore options were basically No Idea and Interpunk and some smaller players, and they had their pluses and minuses but mostly they just carried punk records. Virgil carried all that, plus like, rap reissues and other random stuff, and he'd try to get stuff people asked for, so he was like a one-stop shop.
and finally, a vinyl-only label – again, very novel at the time. He pressed vinyl for labels that didn't want to deal with it, including a ton of stuff from Ferret & Red Scare, and big bands like Minus the Bear, Norma Jean, & Portugal the Man.
People loved this guy, and the stuff he licensed sold big for the most part. He used his newfound clout to continually expand his operation, growing his distro and putting out a ton of music via Suburban Home. A lot of it was like alt-country/raspy-punk-guy-goes-acoustic type stuff, and I can't imagine any of it holds up at all (I do like the LaGrecia album he put out and I wanna say Stereotyperider was good?) Every release came out on multiple colors, there were limited preorder packages with bottle openers and posters and shit, all the collector gimmicks you can imagine. He started a (frankly pretty great) split 7" series called Under the Influence where bands covered artists who influenced them, and somehow roped in like every artist that was big on Punknews in 2008 to contribute. Some of those singles came out on 3 colors.
In retrospect, the first warning sign that he was stretching himself too thin was probably the Cooperative. He hatched this scheme to get 200 people to chip in 60 bucks as an investment, and that money would be used to license, manufacture, and distribute an album that didn't exist on vinyl. Everyone in the Co-op got a copy of the rare color of the record, and the money from selling the remainder of the pressing would go towards the next release. In theory, a never-ending stream of records for 60 bucks! People were gaga over this idea. Shares in the VC Co-Op sold out in minutes. At least one person had a full-blown meltdown on the message board over the fact that they had missed out on buying a share. Personally I had set an alarm but overslept and missed it by minutes. I was so pissed!
There was all sorts of stuff around the voting process and making teams and narrowing down the list that I was not there for, but in the end, the first Co-Op release was The Falcon – God Don't Make No Trash, on a 10". As I recall, it did okay. There were some concerned murmurs as Virgil revealed that the record had cost slightly more than anticipated as 10"s cost more to manufacture, but they were reassured that it wouldn't affect the master plan and everything would be fine. The next release was The Jealous Sound – Kill Them with Kindness, on a double LP. A double LP, surprisingly, also cost more than anticipated, and sales were soft. Next up was A Wilhelm Scream – Mute Print, and a sort of complete discography for Gaslight Anthem side project This Charming Man, both relatively straightforward single LP releases. It should be noted that this all took fffooorrreeevvveeerrr. According to Discogs, the first (and only) 4 releases came out in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011. In between each release, 200 people are milling about the message board waiting impatiently for any kind of update on what should theoretically not take 3 years.
While this is happening, Virgil's operation is continuing to expand. He's hiring people and moving into bigger spaces, Suburban Home is putting out tons of music, and at some point there are too many plates spinning and things start taking a turn. He sells "VC for Life" memberships where for $1000 you get everything they release, forever. He takes preorders for Volume 2 of Under The Influence, with promised artists including The Gaslight Anthem and Minus the Bear, which never materializes. For most of VC's run, all his releases were pressed through Pirates Press as they were the only place that was doing all the splatters, hazes & splits that he utilized extensively, but at a certain point he switches to a domestic plant. Later the word from the rumor mill is that he was so in debt with Pirates Press that they wouldn't take new orders from him. Virgil starts blowing out inventory under the guise of clearing out space, doing big bundles of LPs and 7"s for dirt cheap. Labels who were distro-ing with VC start posting threads on the message boards that they've not been getting paid for months. Some of them get deleted, including a legendary one where Tre from Deathwish tells Virgil to answer his email and give him his money, in so many words. People start asking to sell back their shares in the co-op as it becomes clear that it's a sinking ship.
While this is all happening, Virgil announces a mother freakin' craft beer tour.
In early 2011, the bottom finally falls out and Virgil shutters Vinyl Collective, leaving tons of labels, bands and customers in the lurch. He liquidates everything through eBay and his own store, and disappears for a good while, although according to Discogs, Suburban Home put out a handful of releases between 2011 and 2015. The most valuable asset at that point was the message board, and he sold it(?!?) to ShopRadioCast and Academy Fight Song Records, another label that flamed out spectacularly pretty soon after. And now here we are! Virgil basically lost everything, but he pops up again every few years with an interview in some Colorado alt-weekly about his new business doing promotion for craft distilleries or whatever. He's an ideas guy!
It's wild to think that there are people who are regulars here who have no idea about Virgil or Suburban Home. Personally, it was one of the first online communities I was a part of, and although I don't post as regularly anymore, it is comforting to have at least one familiar place that hasn't been swallowed whole by Facebook or Reddit. Long live VC!
No. The top autists over at the Brand New subreddit are still on the job. They're still figuring out the ancient technology known as a "CD DRIVE." Very complex work.
There was link floating around Reddit that's no longer active that just goes to a blank page now. And I'm guessing none are on eBay because you didn't get one to flip?
futures got a reaction from tokimedo in CITIZEN - Everybody Is Going To Heaven LP
futures got a reaction from LionCircuit in PO: Troye Sivan - Blue Neighbourhood
futures got a reaction from somethingvinyl in FS: most of my collection