markok Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I discussed this at Steve Hoffman board and apparently only the EU press of Oceania has problems, the USA press of Oceania is supposedly fine (I say supposedly because I have the USA press, but I just havent found the time to listen to it ) I dont have the EU press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billynomates Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I have EU press of Oceania and it seemed fine to me. Any specific tracks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markok Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I believe we are talking about the inner groove tracks again which are cut too close to the label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I discussed this at Steve Hoffman board and apparently only the EU press of Oceania has problems, the USA press of Oceania is supposedly fine (I say supposedly because I have the USA press, but I just havent found the time to listen to it ) I dont have the EU press.i have the US pressing and it's pretty bad throughout so I think this is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marblesmike Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 i have the US pressing and it's pretty bad throughout so I think this is wrong. My US press is fine, minus a little bit of IGD at the end of a couple sides. Again, like MCIS, I think it has to do with stylus/cart combinations. Which is BS since these are mainstream releases and should be generally playable for almost everyone with decent setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markok Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 i have the US pressing and it's pretty bad throughout so I think this is wrong. Here is the thread, look for the last few replies there, especially this: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/smashing-pumpkins-oceania.264018/page-6 "The only difference that I know of, is that the EU vinyl pressing is supposed to be bad, many returns due to warped discs, etc. I had it on pre-order and cancelled in favor of the US pressing. I'm glad I did as the US press is so well done, quiet, flat LP's, really heavy too. Some have complained of the lack of deadwax causing issues with their TT's, but mine handled it fine, didn't cause a problem. I've never seen an LP with so little deadwax, especially LP number 2." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewilliamson Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 My US Oceania has similar issues to MCIS. Cut incredibly loud, and with almost no deadwax at all. Lots of sibilance on Billy's vocals even on quiet songs near inner groove. The inner groove songs start sounding very "crushed" for about the last 5 minutes or so on each side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Stan Getz and Billy Corgan. Both the life of any party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvphotoandvideo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Come to think about it, I've never paid too much attention to detail on any of my records (most of the time I play them while I'm doing office work). Thanks for filing my first few months of the new year with shit to do guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crapforgenius Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 As I mentioned earlier, this LP set has caused me to give 'Mellon Collie' a serious reassessment and I'm enjoying it way more than I have in ages. Listening now, my thought is that if they had put "Stumbeline" at the end of side F where it belongs, the third LP would be just about perfect. I've also always had a very, very soft spot for both "In The Arms of Sleep" - one of the most beautiful songs Billy's ever written - and "Tales of a Scorched Earth", so there is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marblesmike Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I just ordered a vinyl copy from Amazon France. I'm hoping it's the EU pressing (with the wider deadwax) and indeed doesn't suffer from the minor tracking issues I'm getting from the US pressing. Will post back here in a couple weeks when I get it and share the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxonviolons Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If I'm not mistaken, I believe they were all EU pressings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marblesmike Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 If I'm not mistaken, I believe they were all EU pressings? There were two different pressings with two different stamper/matrix codes. I don't know where they were each cut, but the one produced for US/Canada distribution has the thin deadwax and the tracking problems as on Zero. The stamper codes look like this on the US/Canada pressing (according to Discogs): Matrix / Runout (Side A): 5099997855316 Disc1-A (handwritten)P.USA (handwritten) -26098- Matrix / Runout (Side B ): 5099997855316 Disc1-B (handwritten) -26098- (handwritten)A+R Dallas -SPGII (handwritten)P.USA And this on the EU pressing: Matrix / Runout (Side A): 5099997855712A Matrix / Runout (Side B ): 5099997855712B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobohunter48 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 almightyseancore, crapforgenius, jvphotoandvideo and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Yorkified Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Hahahahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synapsistapped Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 There were two different pressings with two different stamper/matrix codes. I don't know where they were each cut, but the one produced for US/Canada distribution has the thin deadwax and the tracking problems as on Zero. The stamper codes look like this on the US/Canada pressing (according to Discogs): Matrix / Runout (Side A): 5099997855316 Disc1-A (handwritten)P.USA (handwritten) -26098- Matrix / Runout (Side B ): 5099997855316 Disc1-B (handwritten) -26098- (handwritten)A+R Dallas -SPGII (handwritten)P.USA And this on the EU pressing: Matrix / Runout (Side A): 5099997855712A Matrix / Runout (Side B ): 5099997855712B The first set of runouts is a Pallas press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marblesmike Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The first set of runouts is a Pallas press. Ok, got the EU pressing with the WIDE deadwax. Zero has none of the problems that the US pressing had. This pressing isn't cut nearly as hot but is equally as quiet. I tested it with my Nagaoka MP-110 that was giving me more issues than my Stanton/shibata. The US pressing caused some crackling distortion on the US pressing during the last 15 seconds of Zero and the EU pressing sounds clear as can be. I can post comparison samples if there's enough interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I am incredibly interested! How much did it cost you to buy from amazon France and what region of the world are you in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planetrakis Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I concur the US pressing Zero sounds like booty. ADC XLM MKIII Sony PS-X6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Yorkified Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So yeah, after listening to zero, I have the distortion. And it wouldn't be the way it was had it been a different song that isn't so noisy. It's funny because the last line of the song that's just billy song by himself with no instrumentation is clean as whistle. Everything before it sounds like its gonna make my turntable explode. I guess if I had a better setup that could handle it, it wouldn't be so bad. It really sucks, but I'm still happy I bought it, and I paid full price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbrh2001 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Im gonna wait for Mellon Collie to hit popmarket but I definitely need to add this to my collection. Part of my top 20 favorite albums of all time list, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alogical Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 one day when I have a ton of extra money, I am going to buy all of these. Honestly, every time I'm at Hot Topic and I see Siamese Dream I'm like, "okay today I will buy it" but nope. I disappoint myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Yorkified Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 It's just sad that we waited so long for this to come out, and when it finally did, it had a few problems. But I wouldn't hold out for a repress, I don't think they'll change this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbrh2001 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 It's just sad that we waited so long for this to come out, and when it finally did, it had a few problems. But I wouldn't hold out for a repress, I don't think they'll change this one. Ill buy the fucked up press. Just dont wanna pay that price and Im sure these will hit popmarket eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Yorkified Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Yeah, I had the same mentality as you. I don't really care about the distortion. Zero is loud and distorted anyways, soo. It sounds great apart from zero though. Tonight tonight sounds so different from what I'm used to with a cd copy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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