Emo Revival Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 These guys followed me on twitter, so I checked em out. Its an interesting idea but I see it being hated on by this community. Basically they handle the preorders and the pressing so theres not much you have to do as a label. What I like is that its a good way to gauge interest in a pressing, but I hate that its a pressing funded by preorders. Curious what you guys think http://limitedwax.launchrock.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Something doesn't sound right about it. I feel like it doesn't take things into account and makes what could be an arduous process sound TOO easy. I like what Gotta Groove is doing with their crowdsourcing campaign directly through their plant. http://groovebot.gottagrooverecords.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emo Revival Posted December 12, 2013 Author Share Posted December 12, 2013 Something doesn't sound right about it. I feel like it doesn't take things into account and makes what could be an arduous process sound TOO easy. I like what Gotta Groove is doing with their crowdsourcing campaign directly through their plant. http://groovebot.gottagrooverecords.com I agree 100% it reminds me a lot of feedbands. Sounds like people trying to cash in on a "craze". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I agree 100% it reminds me a lot of feedbands. Sounds like people trying to cash in on a "craze". x 2! You got your vinyl popularity and you tech product bubble! Honestly though, why be a specialist if you can't even outdo your generalist competitors? Both of these seem to be pretty lackluster crowd-funding platforms with a very thin layer of specialization applied as a marketing tool. I'm fine with the idea but the execution is sloppy. Like feedbands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweisser Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Hi guys, my name is Julian and I'm one of the co-founders of LimitedWax. Thanks for talking about it here! I wanted to let you know I'm here to learn from you because I want to build something you'd see the value in. Something doesn't sound right about it. I feel like it doesn't take things into account and makes what could be an arduous process sound TOO easy. I like what Gotta Groove is doing with their crowdsourcing campaign directly through their plant. http://groovebot.gottagrooverecords.com Currently what you see is a landing page allowing people to put in an email address so we can get more info about what they are looking for and tell them what we are working on. If something doesn't sound right about it, it's likely due to the fact you you've only gotten to read two sentences about it. I don't deny that creating records is an arduous process. It's... Expensive There are a bevy of options (weights, colors, jackets, etc) The music needs mastering specifically for vinyl (this is the bit we won't be doing other than referring mastering engineers if requested) Shipping out hundreds of records is time-consuming. But I know I'm not saying anything you guys don't know! And that's precisely why we want to help out. We'll be giving independent artists (and very small labels) the ability to set up a way to collect preorders that will cover some or all of their costs. Unlike Kickstarter or indiegogo we won't have a dollar goal, we will have a unit goal. We won't have numerous reward levels - you will preorder the record or you won't. We'll work with the artist to find them the best manufacturer based on their needs. Once the records are pressed we'll handle all of the shipping to fans. I agree 100% it reminds me a lot of feedbands. Sounds like people trying to cash in on a "craze". That's disappointing and if you all feel that way I'll need to change something in how we describe what we are working on... We came up with the idea of LimitedWax specifically because we didn't like the idea of subscribing to some random startup that has no label affiliation and then just trusting them (or the other subscribers) to give you something you'll enjoy for $20-25 a month. My record collection is a piece of who I am and a direct reflection of my taste (for better or worse ). I don't want to add just anything to my collection and I don't think I'm alone in feeling that way. The goal of LimitedWax is to make it so artists can press limited editions of their CD/digital releases for their current fans that really want it. I suppose it could also be used to reissue older recordings if the artist had all of the rights to the masters. As for HeffersonGowell's concerns with regard to tech companies, as soon as a tech company takes VC investment the timer has started and now they need to work towards being acquired or an IPO. I think either is a preposterous goal for a company that helps artists put out vinyl. Sure, there has been growth in sales, but new vinyl sales still account for less than 1% of all music sales. If we were looking to start a company valued in the hundreds of millions you can trust me when I say we wouldn't have chosen this! Also, execution isn't a landing page - execution is in enabling an artist to collect pre-orders to cover (or subsidize) production and then have us get the records shipped out to their fans. We haven't started yet so I'd greatly appreciate you withholding your judgement until we actually get to the point where we attempt that. Again, I'm really happy that this was posted here and I signed up for the forum to continue the conversation. Please post questions or suggestions here or feel free to send an email to limitedwax at gmail.com. I really appreciate all of your feedback on the idea - very helpful! Thanks again, Julian tl;dr - we're not Feedbands, we love vinyl, and we're just trying to start a fun business that helps artists (not looking to be a Silicon Valley/SF startup) daegor, kylebillings, Emo Revival and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I tried to be careful not to be down on the idea in theory until you've got a little more to share! In fairness though, while execution is certainly more than a landing page that is currently the only public facing presentation I've seen. So until you've got some tangible results to promote, for better or worse, that is all anyone has to go by. My main point and perhaps one that speaks to the other criticisms is that your public persona seems a little hastily thrown together and overall everything seems a little fly by night, thus perhaps someone looking to "cash in". Those guys can chime in if they like. I'm not saying that you aren't a serious endeavor worth interacting with or keeping track of. I am saying, in my opinion, you haven't clearly made that case. Hopefully this doesn't sound overly critical, it was meant to be a constructive, er, least as constructive as unsolicited criticism can be! Best of luck buds... iamweisser, kylebillings and nobodybrokeurheart 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweisser Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Thanks so much - fair points! Know this is still a very fresh idea. We are testing the waters, learning as we go, and this discussion is incredibly helpful. I wanted to put a face to LimitedWax and join the conversation. This is very much an idea driven by passion. With the emergence of streaming as the main form of music consumption for the average person, so much has been lost for the sake of convenience. I think the vinyl format is worth more (not simply dollar-wise, but emotionally) to passionate music fans than ever before. Our goal is to make it so more artists are able to deliver music to their fans in the format that contains the most heart - vinyl. How would you guys suggest we describe what we are working on in a way that doesn't sound like we are just trying to cash in? I want to make sure we are accurately representing what we are aiming for with LimitedWax. The fact that it sounded similar to Feedbands at first-glance is concerning! Thanks again! daegor and bigbruise 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 You're already taking the right steps, I think, in personally addressing potential consumers (and artists) in a professional manner. The real test will be the first couple of attempts to actually press something. I think you should just keep doing what you're doing, communicate, be approachable, be transparent. jtcohenour and Ryan8765 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Gee, I was hoping he would say if we didn't like it, we could go fuck ourselves. Derek™, nobodybrokeurheart, Tommy and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweisser Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 You're already taking the right steps, I think, in personally addressing potential consumers (and artists) in a professional manner. The real test will be the first couple of attempts to actually press something. I think you should just keep doing what you're doing, communicate, be approachable, be transparent. Thanks - I appreciate that. I've seen lots of people get really thorny over criticism but honestly it's what I search for - much more actionable than blind praise! I agree, the real test is actually getting through the process a couple times with happy artists, manufacturers and fans. Gee, I was hoping he would say if we didn't like it, we could go fuck ourselves. Sorry to disappoint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Gee, I was hoping he would say if we didn't like it, we could go fuck ourselves. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm mad nobody gave me a +1 for my reference, Derek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 And fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbruise Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm mad nobody gave me a +1 for my reference, Derek. I thought you were rreferring to the you me and everyone i know madness. I must have missed the I am shark stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcohenour Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm interested to see how you business unfolds. This sounds like a great idea. kylebillings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I thought you were rreferring to the you me and everyone i know madness. I must have missed the I am shark stuff. Oh man, it was glorious. There's a second thread where we rehashed all the stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamweisser Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I'm interested to see how you business unfolds. This sounds like a great idea. Thanks - much appreciated. I'm definitely going to be looking for feedback from this community as we go forward with it. I really value those that speak their mind and care enough to help people improve what they are working on. Oh man, it was glorious. There's a second thread where we rehashed all the stuff. Oh god, I can only imagine! A bit of a tangent: I actually remember reading the Feedbands thread here a while back when I first saw their banner ads and was googling them trying to figure out who started the company. To this day their website carefully avoids identifying who is behind it which is typically a red flag for me (especially when a Google search doesn't even answer the question). We just have a splash page for LimitedWax currently but the actual site is being put together now and will be very clear about who we are and why were are starting it. jtcohenour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 That Feedband thread was a hilariously colossal failure here at VC. Classic. My favorite part was the slew of members who joined out of the woodwork, just to post their testimonials of the service. So good. As far as working with the community, that's definitely the right approach. It may be a big-headed claim to make, but I'd say that VC is pretty much the go-to community for vinyl buzz. iamweisser and daegor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWindBlower Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I think this idea is a fantastic one and I hope it works out. I'm excited for more information to unfold here. I'll definitely keep posted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Jesus, it isn't even out yet. STAR WARS EP 1 UpdateThank you all so much for your patience. We had to make some major manufacturing changes that were followed by inevitable renegotiations. Everything is set and on it’s way, we have the Black (180) gram versions shipping to be first, followed by the colored versions. SO happy to be at this point and finally get you guys your records, a huge weight off our shoulders. I deeply apologize for the lack of updates and posts on the situation. With how many customers we are dealing with, it was either a full time job just responding to emails and messages, or full time getting everything back on track. Had to make that sacrifice to see these albums ASAP. So thank you for understanding and we’ll be posting more as the records come it. Talk soon! December 12, 2013 0 Comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Jesus, it isn't even out yet. STAR WARS EP 1 UpdateThank you all so much for your patience. We had to make some major manufacturing changes that were followed by inevitable renegotiations. Everything is set and on it’s way, we have the Black (180) gram versions shipping to be first, followed by the colored versions. SO happy to be at this point and finally get you guys your records, a huge weight off our shoulders. I deeply apologize for the lack of updates and posts on the situation. With how many customers we are dealing with, it was either a full time job just responding to emails and messages, or full time getting everything back on track. Had to make that sacrifice to see these albums ASAP. So thank you for understanding and we’ll be posting more as the records come it. Talk soon! December 12, 2013 0 Comments Hilarious. I hope no one complains about the delay. Because, well. You know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noalarmplanet Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I'm sure you guys have thought of this and I'm sure the answer is no but if there was a CD you had that had zero chance of ever being pressed on vinyl and you just want to make a copy of it on vinyl for the sole purpose of spining it at home is there a place (Maybe LimitedWax or something?) to get that done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daegor Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I'm sure you guys have thought of this and I'm sure the answer is no but if there was a CD you had that had zero chance of ever being pressed on vinyl and you just want to make a copy of it on vinyl for the sole purpose of spining it at home is there a place (Maybe LimitedWax or something?) to get that done? http://www.customrecords.com/ http://curvedpressings.com/one-off-vinyl-press/ http://vinylcarvers.com/ http://www.vinyl-pressing.com/ http://edsvinyl.com/cutting-vinyl.html noalarmplanet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noalarmplanet Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 http://www.customrecords.com/ http://curvedpressings.com/one-off-vinyl-press/ http://vinylcarvers.com/ http://www.vinyl-pressing.com/ http://edsvinyl.com/cutting-vinyl.html I love you. daegor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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