dreamover Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 On 4/29/2017 at 4:01 PM, highfives said: It's probably just the next bootleg that is coming out. There has been a consistent output of SP radio roadcast bootlegs coming out. maybe. but i've never seen bullmoose carry any of those bootlegs, and those are usually put out by that Let Them Eat Vinyl label. This one is listed as 'BMG Rights Management' which is the distributor for Billy's "Martha's Music" label. Also, the fact that Bullmoose had it in their catalog as an RSD release is interesting (didn't allow preorders like other RSD releases). highfives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 3 hours ago, dreamover said: maybe. but i've never seen bullmoose carry any of those bootlegs, and those are usually put out by that Let Them Eat Vinyl label. This one is listed as 'BMG Rights Management' which is the distributor for Billy's "Martha's Music" label. Also, the fact that Bullmoose had it in their catalog as an RSD release is interesting (didn't allow preorders like other RSD releases). Consider my interests piqued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) There's been some movement on the official Facebook page. Profile and Cover images have been updated to the sacred heart (black and white) and they're posting old concert posters. Edit: also, this: http://smashingpumpkins.com/ Edited July 19, 2017 by highfives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperonigin Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 5 hours ago, highfives said: There's been some movement on the official Facebook page. Profile and Cover images have been updated to the sacred heart (black and white) and they're posting old concert posters. Edit: also, this: http://smashingpumpkins.com/ What are we thinking here? I know Corgan is selling pretty much his entire suite of instruments from various recording sessions in his career, think this has anything to do with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, pepperonigin said: What are we thinking here? I know Corgan is selling pretty much his entire suite of instruments from various recording sessions in his career, think this has anything to do with that? I think they're ramping up the OG lineup. I'm not sure if Billy is selling off the old stuff to get capital for a world tour or just to clear the slate and start SPOG fresh. I guess we'll find out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperonigin Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, highfives said: I think they're ramping up the OG lineup. I'm not sure if Billy is selling off the old stuff to get capital for a world tour or just to clear the slate and start SPOG fresh. I guess we'll find out! That's right, I completely forgot about those rumors. It would definitely bring a dynamic element back to the band but SP was always Corgan and Chamberlain anyways. I would still be excited about this though. I honestly love everything he's put out under the Pumpkins moniker, as well as everything else in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, pepperonigin said: That's right, I completely forgot about those rumors. It would definitely bring a dynamic element back to the band but SP was always Corgan and Chamberlain anyways. I would still be excited about this though. I honestly love everything he's put out under the Pumpkins moniker, as well as everything else in between. After the 07 reunion, it kind of became apparent to me that even though the majority of the Pumpkins sound is from BC and JC, James and Darcy definitely had a hand in cultivating songs. The word was always that Darcy was the kind of taste maker in the band and would steer Billy away from things that weren't working. If the OG lineup does reform and write new music, we'll see if that's the case or not. I do enjoy the entire catalog, but the later stuff is missing something compared to the pre-breakup material. BC's vocal delivery is one of those things, but there are other things too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) His heavier hand in production has turned me off. Machina is good, but there is something about the sound of it vs. all the earlier SP stuff is off for me. I can't put my finger on it. Post breakup, I think his songwriting has been pretty crappy. 25% good stuff, the rest meh. Edited July 19, 2017 by timsimmons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 58 minutes ago, timsimmons said: His heavier hand in production has turned me off. Machina is good, but there is something about the sound of it vs. all the earlier SP stuff is off for me. I can't put my finger on it. Post breakup, I think his songwriting has been pretty crappy. 25% good stuff, the rest meh. Pre-Zwan stuff was awesome and Zwan proper was really solid with some of it rivaling the best SP work (full version of MSTOS specifically). I think the later full length SP albums have a definite hit or miss quality. The hits are great but the misses are big misses. Monuments suffers from not having Jimmy, as does Oceania and the Teargarden songs, but there are great songs in all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperonigin Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, highfives said: Pre-Zwan stuff was awesome and Zwan proper was really solid with some of it rivaling the best SP work (full version of MSTOS specifically). I think the later full length SP albums have a definite hit or miss quality. The hits are great but the misses are big misses. Monuments suffers from not having Jimmy, as does Oceania and the Teargarden songs, but there are great songs in all of that. I think Zwan is fantastic. Zeitgeist is probably half good, Oceania I really enjoy; not too many misses there for me. Monuments I really didn't enjoy too much. All things considered I think it's been more good than bad. I do agree that without Chamberlain there's a hole there. Despite all of his foibles and questionable actions, Corgan is still a great songwriter. If the rumors are true this would really be something fun to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Looks like we'll see solo record info coming soon. https://twitter.com/Billy/status/895374136842657792 faaip de oiad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepperonigin Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I jumped on that. I'm excited for whatever comes next, I'll always give him a chance. faaip de oiad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faaip de oiad Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, highfives said: Looks like we'll see solo record info coming soon. https://twitter.com/Billy/status/895374136842657792 Awaiting transmission... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Meh. just announce the reunion, the last reissues or those live albums. Save the new songs for the reformed band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andthejets27 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Whatever happened to that doom metal album he said he was working on after the last SP record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluescreenlife Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 I'll hold out for a The Marked reunion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azvd Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 My favorite record post break-up is, believe, TheFutureEmbrace. It's the most representative effort of Billy following his instincs without worrying about the connections with Pumpkins, drummers, old members, social media... and I also love the way there's this synthpop connection all over it. Hopefully he'll eventually follow this path in the future, he's pretty good with blending his songwriting with 80's goth/synth influences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromium Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The thought of an original lineup reunion doesn't do much for me - except maybe for touring reasons although I don't go to stadium shows. I know better than to have high expectations for any potential new material this long after the band's prime, no matter who's in whatever band is being discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, jeromium said: The thought of an original lineup reunion doesn't do much for me - except maybe for touring reasons although I don't go to stadium shows. I know better than to have high expectations for any potential new material this long after the band's prime, no matter who's in whatever band is being discussed. There are loads of bands who have released new material, after their prime, that has been on the level of their prime material. I'm not saying an OG lineup would release another Siamese Dream but I won't completely discount it either. pepperonigin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromium Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, highfives said: There are loads of bands who have released new material, after their prime, that has been on the level of their prime material. I'm not saying an OG lineup would release another Siamese Dream but I won't completely discount it either. It's all subjective of course, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. I prefer to be pleasantly surprised than to have any sort of high expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, jeromium said: It's all subjective of course, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. I prefer to be pleasantly surprised than to have any sort of high expectations. Agreed about being surprised. I check my expectations with all post-Zeitgeist output. Some bands I can think of; My Bloody Valentine, Afghan Whigs, Weezer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrodan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, highfives said: Agreed about being surprised. I check my expectations with all post-Zeitgeist output. Some bands I can think of; My Bloody Valentine, Afghan Whigs, Weezer. Weezer hurts your argument here, but your point is solid. I would add Slowdive, Swervedriver and Ride to your list. Apparently it is easier for shoegaze bands to come back strong though haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromium Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 MBV was pretty good, haven't listened to it that much though. But good example. I've never listened to Afghan Whigs. I can hardly stand any Weezer beyond the blue album. So yeah, it's all subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjkenney Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, highfives said: Agreed about being surprised. I check my expectations with all post-Zeitgeist output. Some bands I can think of; My Bloody Valentine, Afghan Whigs, Weezer. That Weezer claim is a mighty one...Feels Like Summer is....hardly Weezer at all. But half of white and most of ewbaite were pretty solid for what they've become. They will never be og lineup without Matt Sharp...which will never happen. Slowdive though...god yes that new album is so solid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I was referring to the White album exclusively, and by most accounts that album sits better with Blue and Pinkerton than any of their other albums. YMMV of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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