Bladewillisisdead Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 My uncle is running... Anyway. I haven't voted in 12 years. I've never voted. I turned 18 like a month after the 2004 election. Then the 2008 election happened when I lived 2 hours from my polling place. But I live in NY, so obviously our electoral votes is going democratic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtw88 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 I am pretty middle of the road on gun issues. I wholeheartedly believe we need stricter gun control but I don't think it's realistic to want guns gone completely or to write off candidates who are somewhat pro gun. The reality of the situation is that there are ~300 million guns in America and it seems unfeasible to me to flat out end gun ownership without massive amounts of guns staying in the hands of criminals. The sad truth is that because there are so many guns circulating already, making them easy for criminals to acquire, some people do feel the need to protect themselves with more guns. Not to mention, there is a legitimate culture that goes along with gun ownership. It seems like the best we can do at this point is to implement good gun control policies, which Bernie has mostly voted for. It seems like the majority of the flak that he gets from liberals on the issue comes from a bill he voted against that would have allowed gun manufacturers to be sued for murders committed with their products. GalacticMelt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundofsilver Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 nancy_raygun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 the old man's got my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancy_raygun Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I have really been digging all the things I've been reading about this guy lately. An honest moderate politician that wants to constructively address issues.. I really hope there are no skeletons in his closet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 this guy knows what's up with this country, got my vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotfactory Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 #feelthebern Seriously though, this is the first time (I am 32) that I feel like someone is not bullshitting and truly wants to make an effort to help out ACTUAL working & middle class Americans (you know, 99% of the people is this country). Go Bernie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 bigger issue is the Senate/Congress. WAXXX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotfactory Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 bigger issue is the Senate/Congress. Very true. However, Bernie would at least be a step in the right direction (in my opinion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aflycon Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'll be voting for Bernie as long as his foreign policy is fairly in line with mine (read: anti-Israel). And after some reading up, it appears that way. On guns: I know guns are a touchy subject, but the fact of the matter is that in America, pro-gun is simply the way to win an election (and the way to be, period, in my opinion). In no uncertain terms, banning guns - if that were even possible on such an incredible scale - does not magically stop criminals from getting their hands on them. It simply drives them to the black market, which is not the theoretical shadowy underground bazaar you might imagine. Getting guns illegally is fucking easy, easier than getting them legally even. I live in a nice part of town and off the top of my head I can think of four people I could call right now to buy a gun from. Banning guns disarms the citizenry, and while it may do precious little to stop things like Charleston and Columbine from happening again, it also paves the way to further erosion of personal liberty and higher crime rates. I know this is a chestnut you've all heard too many times, but the law isn't going to stop a criminal from getting a gun - that's why they're criminals. All that being said, do we need more gun control? Yes. Background checks and psych evaluations should be necessary in order to buy firearms. Assault weapons are already illegal to own (read about it). Funny how criminals still have those, huh? I want to Berlieve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancy_raygun Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The whole thing about Bernie and guns is that he wants to have a serious discussion about how we can create gun control regulation that is actually effective. He might be an Independent and a Progressive, and he might have some pretty radical "Socialist" type leanings, but he's still a Moderate. I don't think he's necessary Pro-Gun or Anti-Gun, it's more an issue of how we are going to realistically address this issue without resorting to the same tired cliches that has had the NRA and the Gun Control lobbyists at each other's throats for decades, without really accomplishing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnstiles Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I thought this was going to be about a remake of Weekend at Bernie's coming out in 2016. I'd never be so lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 From 1991: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtw88 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I really think the tide is going to change once he gets on tv in a debate with Hillary. He's been saying the same things for 40 years. He's not going to slip up and he's got nothing to hide or answer for that he hasn't already addressed openly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Very true. However, Bernie would at least be a step in the right direction (in my opinion). This is pretty typical. Remember that Obama guy? kjkenney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtw88 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 This is pretty typical. Remember that Obama guy? There are huge differences between Obama and Bernie: principally that Bernie has a lengthy, unwavering record backing what he says, and his refusal to accept donations for corporations or create a super PAC. Not to mention Obama has been a step in the right direction. He hasn't delivered on all of his initial promises but we've got a much better healthcare system, the economy has started to recover, and he oversaw the process of broadband's FCC classification which was a HUGE deal. As far as what you mentioned about Congress being more important, I think that misses the whole point. I'm not supporting Bernie just because I think he has good policies; I'm supporting him so staunchly because he is a true alternative candidate to the corporation-sponsored politicians we have been led to accept. A strong show of support for Bernie sends a message to the establishment that they aren't giving their constituents what they want. somethingvinyl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 There are huge differences between Obama and Bernie: principally that Bernie has a lengthy, unwavering record backing what he says, and his refusal to accept donations for corporations or create a super PAC. Not to mention Obama has been a step in the right direction. He hasn't delivered on all of his initial promises but we've got a much better healthcare system, the economy has started to recover, and he oversaw the process of broadband's FCC classification which was a HUGE deal. That's kind of my point. The things that Obama delievered were based on some large comprimises even with his own party--comprimises that Bernie Sanders may not have made. I have no problem with Bernie Sanders, but he's basically useless without completely gutting the rest of the system and coming up with Bernie Sanders-friendly members of the senate/house who are willing to support his platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funtitled Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 if i wasn't a small child and i could could vote i would vote for him. go bernie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 That's kind of my point. The things that Obama delievered were based on some large comprimises even with his own party--comprimises that Bernie Sanders may not have made. I have no problem with Bernie Sanders, but he's basically useless without completely gutting the rest of the system and coming up with Bernie Sanders-friendly members of the senate/house who are willing to support his platform. Bernie has said in the past that he is willing to work toward acceptable compromises. All we need is for that to influence some of the people who are in congress and the senate currently. I'm tired of politicians who vote along party lines just to vote with their pals. Vote for what you believe in, work toward acceptable compromises and do what is best for the country. GalacticMelt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Friendly Rap God Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Much better healthcare system? Fuck ObamaCare. I've seen more employees lose benefits and companies cut more jobs because of it. Not to mention the bullshit fines for not having insurance. WAXXX, mac1 and GalacticMelt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac1 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 The old, white geezer, and self-described socialist is not even a demo-rat. He is a party of 1. So he would have to LOWER his standards to be in a primary with the old, white hag. This country, with the worst political class ever and lap-dog media, is so out of wack (and in collusion) that we deserve clinton-bush or trump-sanders. Embrace the suck. WAXXX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Much better healthcare system? Fuck ObamaCare. I've seen more employees lose benefits and companies cut more jobs because of it. Not to mention the bullshit fines for not having insurance.That's not Obamacare, that's bullshit insurance companies finding loopholes. You're mad at the wrong thing. diabretic, nancy_raygun, chriswamsley and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac1 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 That is absolutely the result of obama-tax-care passed exclusively using tricks and gimmicks by the D's, then upheld by changing the wording for a "they got something bad on me" Roberts court. The "bullshit" insurance companies are the people who are in bed with the D's and reaping massive profits then contributing to them in return. Potemkin Villages all the way down. WAXXX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 oh my god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Much better healthcare system? Fuck ObamaCare. I've seen more employees lose benefits and companies cut more jobs because of it. Not to mention the bullshit fines for not having insurance. Yeah this scumbag shit is on insurance companies and employers. My fine for not having insurance was waived two years in a row. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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