codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Have you met capitalism? I have. When I was in grade 10 art I silkscreen a t shirt that ways 'Capitalism is Organized Crime' I still have it. GreatGreenOne77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'm honestly surprised FPS wasn't immediately dropped Seriously. But can someone fill me in on the other stuff? I read about FPS but don't know who Harry and JJR are. Also, the only decent bands on PN are TSSF and State Champs and I don't really follow either of them anymore so I have no problem not buying anything from PN again. But here's where I'm conflicted and genuinely want someone to educate me... I found an absolutepunk link and they basically name a ton of bands and then Fireworks is mentioned as a band who either supported or made jokes regarding the situation... this has me absolutely gutted... can someone either summarize or point me in the right direction? I guess I should ask this in the boycott thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Have you met capitalism? Sorry for the triple post everyone and double quotes, but I gotta say Bruce... I usually agree with you pretty much 100% of the time you post anyways, but when it comes to that other thread I agree with you 300% seriously glad to see. You are a breath of fresh air man... faith in humanity restored. Nothing but upvotes and love for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic_ Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Have you met capitalism? Capitalism has its problems, but is there another system that works better? If there is I'm seriously interested, just never seen anything. I hail from a FOX news only house, so I'm a little sheltered as to what I've been exposed to outside my own research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Capitalism has its problems, but is there another system that works better? If there is I'm seriously interested, just never seen anything. I hail from a FOX news only house, so I'm a little sheltered as to what I've been exposed to outside my own research. PLEASE DO NOT WATCH FOX NEWS Aych 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Bruce is a rad dude. Bares his soul and holds nothing back not even regrets. straight shooter. he's a good man. an intelligent person whom I love seeing and hearing his counterpoints. he slays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambionic Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I can't wait to go see Built To Spill later this month! Maybe while I'm there I'll meet the next girl that breaks my heart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneatingcow Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Capitalism has its problems, but is there another system that works better? If there is I'm seriously interested, just never seen anything. I hail from a FOX news only house, so I'm a little sheltered as to what I've been exposed to outside my own research. I end up talking about this pretty frequently. I'm far to the left and people are always shocked when I come out as hugely pro capitalist. Capitalism is the ideal economic system. However, for Capitalism it needs active and attentive oversight by the citizens. Capitalism needs rules and order. Unfettered free market capitalism will lead to a system where all wealth is funneled to the top. I spend a lot of Sunday afternoons drinking a beer at a bar with a couple friends talking about shit like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Capitalism has its problems, but is there another system that works better? If there is I'm seriously interested, just never seen anything. I hail from a FOX news only house, so I'm a little sheltered as to what I've been exposed to outside my own research. Socialism. Socialism is a synthesis of Capitalism and Communism. In a nutshell you use Capitalism to raise the money and then switch to Communism to distribute the money. I know I shouldn't be saying this stuff because Socialism and Communism are both dirty words in the USA because of indoctrination and xenophobia. I would highly recommend to read The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. That book opened my eyes to a lot of stuff. It's very difficult reading though, its way above a typical 15-year olds reading level. If you do get a copy, don't show it to anyone who watches FOX they will probably think you 'need saving' or something. That being said I was pretty into politics as a youth but these days I'd much rather read philosophy. Politics are too depressing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneatingcow Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 PLEASE DO NOT WATCH FOX NEWS Eh, Fox News is all that I watch. Basically the way I see it is that I already know what I believe. I need to know what my opposition is telling people to be able to adequately fight against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneatingcow Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I've probably matched my post total from the last 3 months in the past hour. Apparently this what happens when I am stuck bored out of my mind spending tons of time at home doing nothing but popping vicodin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic_ Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 PLEASE DO NOT WATCH FOX NEWS I don't, I tend to get my news online, a lot of times Reddit links and then read the debates in comments. I like to be informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic_ Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Socialism. Socialism is a synthesis of Capitalism and Communism. In a nutshell you use Capitalism to raise the money and then switch to Communism to distribute the money. I know I shouldn't be saying this stuff because Socialism and Communism are both dirty words in the USA because of indoctrination and xenophobia. I would highly recommend to read The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels. That book opened my eyes to a lot of stuff. It's very difficult reading though, its way above a typical 15-year olds reading level. If you do get a copy, don't show it to anyone who watches FOX they will probably think you 'need saving' or something. That being said I was pretty into politics as a youth but these days I'd much rather read philosophy. Politics are too depressing for me. Those sound great on paper, but they just have never and never will work. I'll elaborate in the morning when I'm not on mobile, but essentially there's no drive to work if money is equally distributed, nobody works, things fall apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Those sound great on paper, but they just have never and never will work. I'll elaborate in the morning when I'm not on mobile, but essentially there's no drive to work if money is equally distributed, nobody works, things fall apart. True communism has never been implemented in history. 'Those work on paper and not in practice' is entry level BS, sorry to say, but I know that's what people feed you. I was fed the same lines by people who didn't know what they were talking about when I was a youth. Neither Russia, Cuba, or China were ever truly communist, those are facist regimes. My brief synopsis of the manifesto: The industrial revolution completely fucked the planet up. Just look at other countries in the world where people dig through piles of garbage to survive. If you want to know how things got to this point (which is the first step to figuring our way out of the mess we're in) read that book. It should be mandatory reading. We probably wouldn't live in a society of buffoons if it was. But like I said before, this is why I don't really touch politics anymore, too messy, much prefer philosophy. As for the 2nd part of your post... thats why you start by raising capital, its like a wave dude. Waves are everywhere in nature, one year there are more flies, next year there are more frogs. Do you get what I'm saying? Anyways you don't have to agree, but if you just think about any of this stuff then just that makes me satisfied. This will be the last political post I make. /politics -> Reverts to chill mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliminator Jr. Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Mornin folks! Today's gonna be a rough 10h shift with extra heat wave. Let's do it! GreatGreenOne77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic_ Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 True communism has never been implemented in history. 'Those work on paper and not in practice' is entry level BS, sorry to say, but I know that's what people feed you. I was fed the same lines by people who didn't know what they were talking about when I was a youth. Neither Russia, Cuba, or China were ever truly communist, those are facist regimes. My brief synopsis of the manifesto: The industrial revolution completely fucked the planet up. Just look at other countries in the world where people dig through piles of garbage to survive. If you want to know how things got to this point (which is the first step to figuring our way out of the mess we're in) read that book. It should be mandatory reading. We probably wouldn't live in a society of buffoons if it was. But like I said before, this is why I don't really touch politics anymore, too messy, much prefer philosophy. I'll give it a read if I can. I'll stick to digital for household peace. Ideally, what would a communist/socialist society look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youinreverse Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I can't wait to go see Built To Spill later this month! Maybe while I'm there I'll meet the next girl that breaks my heart! *fistbump* cambionic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'll give it a read if I can. I'll stick to digital for household peace. Ideally, what would a communist/socialist society look like? In a word: Idyllic. I don't really want to get into this stuff though man... its such a rabbit hole... we could get into how paper money is fake and has no real value, (another major misstep in human history) and the barter system, etc, etc. but fair warning if you pick that book up: it is actually very short but very high level reading... the sentence structure is very very advanced. I've never read a more difficult book. But its worth it, if you can manage, to share the ideas. I'd be proud of anyone who reads it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic_ Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 In a word: Idyllic. I don't really want to get into this stuff though man... its such a rabbit hole... we could get into how paper money is fake and has no real value, (another major misstep in human history) and the barter system, etc, etc. but fair warning if you pick that book up: it is actually very short but very high level reading... the sentence structure is very very advanced. I've never read a more difficult book. But its worth it, if you can manage, to share the ideas. I'd be proud of anyone who reads it. I'll give it a shot at least, I tend to be good at that kind of reading. codeine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aych Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Don't mind me, I'm just gonna break up the political ideologies discussion for a bit... So I finally got a second round interview for a full-time job, which is awesome because I feel like I have a good shot at it (the people who interviewed me said they were very impressed, ayyyy) and I'm tired of living on $600 a month, which I've miraculously been able to do somehow since January. I feel conflicted, though, because I just got my job at Ben & Jerry's two weeks ago, and if I get this full-time gig, I'll have to give B&J my two weeks notice before I'm even done training. That's not to say I'd take working at B&J over the full-time job. I totally won't do that. I just feel a little guilty, is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'll give it a shot at least, I tend to be good at that kind of reading. That put a smile on my face. Don't mind me, I'm just gonna break up the political ideologies discussion for a bit... No worries. I feel bad for getting into it cause I know people tend to shy away from that type of stuff, and I don't want to be alienating. Besides this is Small Talk, not Massive Talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Ben & Jerry's Hook us up with some ice cream?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic_ Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 That put a smile on my face. Can't promise I'll agree, but like I said, I want to be informed, and that means knowing all sides of an argument to make an informed opinion. If my parents disown me I may have to stay with you a while No worries. I feel bad for getting into it cause I know people tend to shy away from that type of stuff, and I don't want to be alienating. Besides this is Small Talk, not Massive Talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic_ Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 That put a smile on my face. Can't promise I'll agree, but like I said, I want to be informed, and that means knowing all sides of an argument to make an informed opinion. If my parents disown me I may have to stay with you a while No worries. I feel bad for getting into it cause I know people tend to shy away from that type of stuff, and I don't want to be alienating. Besides this is Small Talk, not Massive Talk. stupid mobile messed up my message... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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