xfactor675 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Kr is the merch platform of Epitaph. they are not releasing/pressing the vinyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyacrash Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 there's a video for the new song too: ethanabr and jewfro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I love Defeater but so many of their fans are so condescending. Like how so many fans gave the band shit when they toured with ABR and Defeater was like wtf are yall talking about.. ABR is an awesome band and awesome people. all 4 bands I have mentioned here are good in different ways so don't act so above it unless you have some music to show for yourself You are a jagoff if you like falling in reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throughbeingcruel Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 ^^^ Truer words couldn't be spoken. Band is a plague upon music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 You are a jagoff if you like falling in reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woah_dood49 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I love Defeater but so many of their fans are so condescending. Thanks for proving me wrong dudes ^ Jacky Vincent is a more talented musician than anyone in Defeater even though Defeater is a better band. Nothing wrong with liking him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfactor675 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 please leave this thread. thanks. I guess you think Ronnie Radke is humble person and worth supporting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Jacky Vincent is a more talented musician than anyone in Defeater LOL WHAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I could safely say woah_dood consistently posts something stupid. Never fails to entertain. Vince Ives and dethrock 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedong Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 LOL WHAT Falling In Reverse is a terrible band but this is 100% true. Jacky Vincent absolutely rips on guitar, like 80's god shred level, and even if you hate that brand of music or think technicality is meaningless in what makes a musician "good," it cannot be argued that anyone in Defeater is even 1/100th as technically proficient as that guy on the guitar. that sort of proficiency only comes from hours and hours and hours of working on technique. He's basically a prodigy, dude learned to shred harder than 99% of people currently playing by doing it in his bedroom without even an amp. He's also really young, unlike a lot of the big guitar players ATM who are quite a bit older, like Abasi, Govan, Dave Davidson, Paul Waggoner.... as a guitar player I can't help but respect that kind of dedication and really just raw talent. He also has an album on Shrapnel, which doesn't happen unless you absolutely burn on the guitar. his playing is on the level of a guy like Jason Becker, technically (less interesting phrasing/compositions though for sure). I don't expect anyone on this board to defend the band, including myself, but if you play guitar or have even a basic grasp of music you can't possibly think the guy "sucks" at guitar. he plays in a terrible band and has a really lame image, i'd rather listen to defeater any day, but his talent is 100% legitimate. he also clearly loves the 80s stuff, so I guess I can't fault him there, it's some really well done Becker worship. some pretty great melodies on it actually, it's just super cheesy, literally sounds like it came out 3 decades ago. in case proof is needed: i'm not trying to take sides here, just stating fact that his musicianship should be respected, and it is not even remotely wrong to say that he is more talented than Defeater, at least in terms of musical proficiency. if anyone on here can learn that song and post a video i will literally suck your dick. if you think the guys in Defeater are better guitar players, i respect your preference, but all that says to me is that you either haven't listened to his playing (pretty sure he only really does the solos in FIR so I can see why) or you aren't a musician. because Vincent's talent cannot be argued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Thanks for proving me wrong dudes ^ Jacky Vincent is a more talented musician than anyone in Defeater even though Defeater is a better band. Nothing wrong with liking him ...You alright dude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnombre91 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Dude may be able to play mindless shred, but he's still got nothing on a lot of the good metal shredders out there. Pretty sure Ryan Knight could shred him under the table. Enough off topic bullshit now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladew1ll1s1sdead Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Okay cool and all but nobody will be as good as Randy Rhoads was. diabretic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 So many shreds and rips. Don't even know what to do with my life anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Wasn't Randy Rhodes in the Shitty Beatles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedong Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Dude may be able to play mindless shred, but he's still got nothing on a lot of the good metal shredders out there. Pretty sure Ryan Knight could shred him under the table. Enough off topic bullshit now? I mean somebody can always shred somebody under the table, which is why technical proficiency only goes so far, but I was responding to the surprise posters were expressing at saying that Jacky Vincent was a more talented guitarist than Defeater's members, which despite not being a fan of his is obviously true to anybody who has any basic of understanding of actually playing music. I get that woah_dude is an unpopular poster or w.e but I was just saying that his post was accurate (he even admitted Defeater was a better band) because everyone else was saying the opposite, which again, is just wrong. Defeater's guitar players would never claim to be shred gods, and they don't need to. But raw talent is most easily expressed in technical proficiency if you don't want to fall into the subjective rabbit hole, and Vincent has that in spades, which is all he was saying. And hey, for what it's worth, Ryan Knight is an amazing guitar player but I don't think he shreds Vincent under the table. He definitely writes perfect solos for a way better band but as far as just burning up a fretboard I think Vincent is up there with just about anybody. He's a one trick pony sure but he does that trick as well as anybody, his playing is so fast and so clean, especially those sweeps. I actually think Ryan Knight would probably be a fan of his, considering that he is a huge Becker fanboy (his most recent Ibanez LACS custom had rainbow colored pups just like JB's). Any guitar player respects technique like that. For what it's worth, I think Dave Davidson is a more well rounded player than Knight too, he mixes it up way more, Revocation's last album had the most mind bending thrash guitar I've ever heard. You can only play so much over BDM riffs but Davidson throws in lots of jazz/prog along with the god tier thrash. He gets my vote for most perfect metal player. And if you are into guitar playing, honestly, I think Guthrie Govan's playing on the new Aristocrats album (just came out) is as insane as it gets. He's really on another level entirely, it seems to me. Such tasty jams/riffs/bass and guitar interplay. It's like Erotic Cakes if it was actually written by a band. Through the Flower is one of the greatest things I've heard. My all time fav is Hendrix anyway, nobody will ever be as good again in the sense that he was. It's not like I'm a shred head, but hey I'm just chiming in on the conversation and affirming that Vincent is indeed a very talented guitar player who makes horrible music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 So...new Defeater right? mossy, chuck, jewfro and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewSS Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Here is a link to the indie exclusive on Coke Bottle Clear /500 at bullmoose http://www.bullmoose.com/p/20692565/defeater-abandoned-indie-exclusive-coke-bottle-clear-vinyl-includes-download-card-limited-to-500-units Bull Moose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnombre91 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Fucking Bullmoose, ship to the UK dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jewfro Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 http://noisey.vice.com/blog/defeater-unanswered-video new song "Unanswered" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtobi-wanx Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 German stores (e.g. Greenhell, finest vinyl, flight13) list an "indie edition" on clear & solid red mix /300 This could add up to a total pressing of 2000!?! (kingsroad 2x 600, bullmoose 500, German indie stores 300) Does this make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 New song is even better than the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 For the dudes that wanna talk about technical skills and shredding and ripping and who is talented you might want to take a look at jay maas' contributions to the hardcore and punk scene from a production stand point. Here are some of the albums he has worked on. http://www.jaymaas.com/album-covers/ To me that is much more proficient than ripping solos in an 80s inspired cock rock band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvv Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 http://www.b9store.com/products/556860-defeater-abandoned red and blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diabretic Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://www.b9store.com/products/556860-defeater-abandoned red and blue Awesome. I wish every record was pressed on red vinyl. Looks so good. (That's a joke, but red is really awesome.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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