JFC1549 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 It's a lil cheaper on Amazon. I might order one there and return the music direct one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why Null? Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I just played it before and i can confirm no more inner groove distortion on Zero Are the other sides (not side A) completely identical to the older pressing with the IGD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why Null? Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 this would be the right way to handle it. I'm going to write them and see if they will swap it. Please let me know what they say. Who exactly are you contacting? The label? or the store you bought it from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyfranciosa Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Please let me know what they say. Who exactly are you contacting? The label? or the store you bought it from? I'm gonna write the label... it's been too long to get an exchange from the store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I bought what's up on Amazon right now. I will compare etchings when I receive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why Null? Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm still a little confused about this new pressing. So they have a larger run out groove on the side that has Zero, but that side still has the same songs. So I guess the space between grooves was decreased? Wouldn't that potentially introduce another set of problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'm still a little confused about this new pressing. So they have a larger run out groove on the side that has Zero, but that side still has the same songs. So I guess the space between grooves was decreased? Wouldn't that potentially introduce another set of problems? The problem wasn't that the grooves were too thin, it was that they were mastered almost all the way to the label. The revolutions are so small at that point, any loudness will sound distorted. Also, it was just a shitty mastering job. But I feel like Mr. Getz was thinking the exact same way you were which is pretty sad for a "renowned mastering engineer". But I just opened up this new pressing and at first inspection the side A looks like it wasn't mastered nearly as far into the record. I remember opening the original pressing and thinking it looked ridiculous. There was barely any space for an etching. Not the case here. I'll try to do a side-by-side comparison on the table tonight. Ryan8765 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxonviolons Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The problem wasn't that the grooves were too thin, it was that they were mastered almost all the way to the label. The revolutions are so small at that point, any loudness will sound distorted. Also, it was just a shitty mastering job. But I feel like Mr. Getz was thinking the exact same way you were which is pretty sad for a "renowned mastering engineer". But I just opened up this new pressing and at first inspection the side A looks like it wasn't mastered nearly as far into the record. I remember opening the original pressing and thinking it looked ridiculous. There was barely any space for an etching. Not the case here. I'll try to do a side-by-side comparison on the table tonight. Thanks so much. Would appreciate it. I bought the first round of this, and my Zero has that distortion. I was not neccesarilly happy with the quality of the sound on a couple of the tracks actually, which was tough because the packaging is just spectacular, and you could tell they put a lot of time into it. Too bad the most important part, the sound of the record, fell flat on its face. The one on Amazon is going for $70 Prime, and if it's the same one you bought (maybe you can confirm with the link below) and it sounds great, I will probably just drop the money to have one that sounds good. http://www.amazon.com/Mellon-Collie-Infinite-Sadness-LP/dp/B008Z9L94O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430745981&sr=8-1&keywords=mellon+collie+vinyl Sucks I'm going to be spending almost $150 when all is said and done just because the first ones to press this were bozo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinji Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Please do that! I'm actually waiting on someone's review before I buy it, because I really want it if it sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achillesstand7 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I bought the new pressing and it sounds much better. No distortion at all on Zero (besides what is supposed to be there). And actually, there is more dead space on every side of each LP, so it's not like they only changed the first LP, which had the most complaints. They apparently used new plates for each record. I haven't made it through the whole album yet, but the first 2 LPs sound good. I'm glad that I re-bought it. niblips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidamnesiac Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Can someone post the matrix etchings? Curious if they just used the EU plates for this or if it's an all-new master. Anyone get a response from the label about replacement discs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achillesstand7 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The new US pressing has different matrix etchings than what discogs has for the EU version. Disc 1: 785531-A Disc 2: 785531-B etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andynz Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Has anyone had any luck with Amazon regarding replacing their defective pressings (at their cost)? I note on the listing for the new pressing: "PRODUCT ALERT: Please note that this is a remastered version of an original recording. Any background noise from the original recording may be present in this recording as well." It seems to be fairly well documented that the distortion is as a result of a pressing issue and not a mastering issue. A defect not present on the EU pressing and which has clearly been fixed with this second pressing. I have contacted them. I will let you all know if I get a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFC1549 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The problem was corrected I reported last week it was fixed. What more do u want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why Null? Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I was more interested in the manufacturing process behind fixing this problem. So there is more dead wax on each side, but still the same amount of music on each side. so that must mean that in the fixed repress, the grooves are closer together so that the songs can finish before getting too close to the center, right? Wouldn't having the grooves closer together potentially affect the sound quality in some other way? niblips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisapple Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Got this in today. Listened to the first two LPs and am very impressed with the sound quality and I am a picky bastard. If you are holding out for some multi paragraph sound quality review, just buy it. It's not like it's ever been difficult to return an Amazon package if you have any concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindovermatter Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Maybe I can help: When mastering the audio for the first pressing of this, it was mastered too loudly or too "hot." In doing this, it physically creates a wider gap between each groove. If there is a ton of low end and not enough space between the grooves, it causes negative audio reactions. My guess is that this new pressing was cut much quieter, allowing for the grooves to remain closer together and keep the ending of each side further from the label. This is how longer records are cut into single LPs. If you compare any 1xLP pressing to a future 2xLP repressing, the second pressing is generally louder with a more prominent low end. vinyl addict, andynz, highfives and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I was more interested in the manufacturing process behind fixing this problem. So there is more dead wax on each side, but still the same amount of music on each side. so that must mean that in the fixed repress, the grooves are closer together so that the songs can finish before getting too close to the center, right? Wouldn't having the grooves closer together potentially affect the sound quality in some other way? Maybe I can help: When mastering the audio for the first pressing of this, it was mastered too loudly or too "hot." In doing this, it physically creates a wider gap between each groove. If there is a ton of low end and not enough space between the grooves, it causes negative audio reactions. My guess is that this new pressing was cut much quieter, allowing for the grooves to remain closer together and keep the ending of each side further from the label. This is how longer records are cut into single LPs. If you compare any 1xLP pressing to a future 2xLP repressing, the second pressing is generally louder with a more prominent low end. There you go. Dude knows his stuff too. Thanks for the clarification, mindovermatter. I'm always glad when someone better versed and educated can come in and explain something in a way that is understandable and helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindovermatter Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm no pro, so maybe someone else with greater knowledge can fill in some gaps, but that's the 101 version. The more you know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm no pro, so maybe someone else with greater knowledge can fill in some gaps, but that's the 101 version. The more you know! Well I still appreciated it. You certainly know more than I did, and I'm always glad to learn a little more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinylfilmaholic Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think I will just stick to my $35 box set I scored from Amazon.ca a few years back. If this repress goes down to around that price I'll consider grabbing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannibal Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Is the new one cut by the same person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 ImportCDs has posted their copies a little cheaper (especially if you get taxed from Amazon): http://amzn.to/1zXHz4o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Is the new one cut by the same person? unfortunately it still looks like stan getz's initials. i can confirm it does sound way better though. perhaps he learned a few things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyfranciosa Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I sent Virgin an e-mail, but haven't heard anything... give them a little more time, then I'll start reaching out via twitter/facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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