Team Avatar Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I don't want to turn this into a genre debate, but genres change. I mean, take ska. 1st wave ska sounds NOTHING like 3rd / 4th wave ska, and yet it's all ska in the end. You get a bunch of 1/2nd wave ska fans (dorks hehe) who refuse to like 3rd or 4th wave ( except they ALWAYS like streetlight ) but in the end it's still ska music. You can sit there arguing that mineral are emo but when you ask a huge percentage of the world to name an emo band, you know they're gonna say fallout boy or mcr or god knows what. i guess what i'm tryna say is it doesn't fucking matter whether you think the band is pop punk or not because if all of their hundreds of thousands of fans are callin them pop punk, your little message board post won't do shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aflycon Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 If you couldn't see a band opening up for the ramones, it's not pop punk (they invented the sound). A lot of the bands that claim to be pop punk (or their fans claim they are) are emo bands. Seems like no one wants to call themselves emo though because it has a sort of negative stigma. Also find it funny people are ripping avenged sevenfold (rightfully) but seem to have listened to all their albums. I just would have expected to stop at one (if they even decided to buy that). I'd really put this more on Descendents than Ramones. I've always categorized Ramones with the Clash and other first-wave punk bands, as "classic punk." Descendents, while definitely second-wave (or even third depending on who you ask, some people are anal about it), are the progenitors of pop-punk in my opinion. Also, nothing against you personally, but it is Ramones, not the Ramones. Like Talking Heads. People get anal about that too. nothnks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Avatar Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Also, nothing against you personally, but it is Ramones, not the Ramones. Like Talking Heads. People get anal about that too. I really love listening to Talking Heads. I also really love listening to Ramones. I really love listening to The Talking Heads is wrong. I really love listening to the Talking Heads, is okay. According to the dictionary of google the T͟Hē,T͟Hə/ determiner determiner: the 1. denoting one or more people or things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge. "what's the matter?" used to refer to a person, place, or thing that is unique. "the Queen" informal denoting a disease or affliction. "I've got the flu" (with a unit of time) the present; the current. "dish of the day" informal used instead of a possessive to refer to someone with whom the speaker or person addressed is associated. "I'm meeting the boss" used with a surname to refer to a family or married couple. "the Johnsons were not wealthy" used before the surname of the chief of a Scottish or Irish clan. "the O'Donoghue" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Breath Records Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I like anal. nothnks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aflycon Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I really love listening to Talking Heads. I also really love listening to Ramones. I really love listening to The Talking Heads is wrong. I really love listening to the Talking Heads, is okay. According to the dictionary of google the T͟Hē,T͟Hə/ determiner determiner: the 1. denoting one or more people or things already mentioned or assumed to be common knowledge. "what's the matter?" used to refer to a person, place, or thing that is unique. "the Queen" informal denoting a disease or affliction. "I've got the flu" (with a unit of time) the present; the current. "dish of the day" informal used instead of a possessive to refer to someone with whom the speaker or person addressed is associated. "I'm meeting the boss" used with a surname to refer to a family or married couple. "the Johnsons were not wealthy" used before the surname of the chief of a Scottish or Irish clan. "the O'Donoghue" Well... huh. Thank you, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Can you point to an article or something official that points to them being referred to as Ramones without the "the?" I'll consider your point, but I've never heard the band mentioned without "the" in front of the name (ignoring the semantics of "the" versus "The") http://youtube.com/watch?v=IbYS2qcwJvU "Even opened up for the Ramones..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Breath Records Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Can you point to an article or something official that points to them being referred to as Ramones without the "the?" I'll consider your point, but I've never heard the band mentioned without "the" in front of the name (ignoring the semantics of "the" versus "The") http://youtube.com/watch?v=IbYS2qcwJvU "Even opened up for the Ramones..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aflycon Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Can you point to an article or something official that points to them being referred to as Ramones without the "the?" I'll consider your point, but I've never heard the band mentioned without "the" in front of the name (ignoring the semantics of "the" versus "The") "Even opened up for the Ramones..." Well, all of their album covers do say "Ramones" as opposed to "the Ramones." From a Google search, it looks like there are plenty of arguments both ways. But, like Talking Heads, it's my understanding that the band's preference was to be called Ramones and not the Ramones (or The Ramones). I personally hear "Ramones" more than I hear "the Ramones," for what it's worth. And I can understand saying "the Ramones" in your song lyrics, as "ever opened up for Ramones" wouldn't sound quite right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Avatar Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 if bomb the music industry! opened for the queers who opened for the ramones....... following the law of equivalent exchange transitivity, than bomb the music industry opened for the ramones. my ska band, knightsbridge fiasco, opened for BTMI once. Therefore, http://knightsbridgefiasco.bandcamp.com/album/the-nights-we-remember is pop punk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 ramones suuuuuucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I don't want to turn this into a genre debate, but genres change. I mean, take ska. 1st wave ska sounds NOTHING like 3rd / 4th wave ska, and yet it's all ska in the end. You get a bunch of 1/2nd wave ska fans (dorks hehe) who refuse to like 3rd or 4th wave ( except they ALWAYS like streetlight ) but in the end it's still ska music. You can sit there arguing that mineral are emo but when you ask a huge percentage of the world to name an emo band, you know they're gonna say fallout boy or mcr or god knows what. i guess what i'm tryna say is it doesn't fucking matter whether you think the band is pop punk or not because if all of their hundreds of thousands of fans are callin them pop punk, your little message board post won't do shit! I get your point. I'm just sharing an opinion, not trying to start a revolution. However, there is a large difference between the situation you describe and the one I bring up. The ska community is mostly heterogeneous in what they define is ska, even if they want to subdivide it further into waves and say some are better than others. The term pop-punk does not have anywhere near that level of consistent definition. I don't really see it as a good comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Avatar Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I get your point. I'm just sharing an opinion, not trying to start a revolution. However, there is a large difference between the situation you describe and the one I bring up. The ska community is mostly heterogeneous in what they define is ska, even if they want to subdivide it further into waves and say some are better than others. The term pop-punk does not have anywhere near that level of consistent definition. I don't really see it as a good comparison. Since pop punk doesn't have consistent definition, then both ramones and wonder years are pop punk ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Since pop punk doesn't have consistent definition, then both ramones and wonder years are pop punk ?? I don't really know the wonder years but we've circled back to my original post -- if you can see a band opening for Ramones, they are pop-punk. That's a consistent definition. There's just a lot of people/bands that abuse the term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russell Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 the groovie ghoulies could've opened for (the) ramones, i miss that band so much. the poppiest pop punk around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 I say "the" in front of bands like Talking Heads, Pixies, and Ramones because it feels super awkward not to. "Do you like the Talking Heads?" sounds better than "Do you like Talking Heads?" Although that's a dumb question because everyone likes the Talking Heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangsAnalSatan Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Do you guys want to see my the Talking Heads vinyls collection? We can listen to it on my Crosley. I'll just have to unframe them first. Fairmount, nothnks, aflycon and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Well, I guess it depends on the context. The whole argument is really pointless. I just know that if someone said "Do you listen to Ramones?" it'd sound off. Speaking of which, they're definitely pop punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Breath Records Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Shit on bands nothnks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steventangent Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 ramones suuuuuucked. YOU suuuuuucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hey guys, we're fighting over what can, or can't be considered pop punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of Breath Records Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Hey guys, we're fighting over what can, or can't be considered pop punk. Reminds me of my status. Fairmount 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Reminds me of my status. aflycon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintedinexile Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 My exact reaction when I read that. Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Bateman Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Brand New. Fuck you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladew1ll1s1sdead Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Brand New. Fuck youWay too overhyped. Semi decent lyrics on a couple songs but they sound like shit. topher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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