Eliminator Jr. Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 More or less this (although I don't think the R word belongs in the discussion at any level). You are absolutely right. I apologize for using it. It's just my feeling that more and more people seem to be distracted by those few who interpret feminism as the 'war of the sexes' and I felt like harshly articulating how negatively my stance is regarding that topic. Although the discussion was heating up a bit, I got the feeling we all genuinely agree on feminism (= equalism) being necessary. Which is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caninesapien Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The notion of a guy saying that "feminism is unattractive" (or whatever was said earlier about online dating profiles) is one of the reasons feminism exists. futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 or... Those literally mean the same thing. Feminism = equality of the sexes. Get off the idea that Feminism = women vs men. Just because it's got "fem" in it doesn't mean its excluding everyone who isn't a woman. You don't see women flipping out about he fact that the human race is called MAN kind. Good lord. Also, when it comes to the term "female," it all comes down to the way the word has morphed over the years. Similarly to the word "bitch." If you want to use the dictionary, fine. Bitch = a female dog. But as time went on, it turned into meaning a. A weak individual (usually a guy) and b. A mean/rude woman. Funny how that works, right? Well, "female" has taken on a similar evolution. It all comes down to the fact that the connotation used and the context surrounding the use of the word has turned negative. "Females be tripping" or "Females are always trying to bring their men down" or "I'm gonna try to talk to some females tonight." It strips women of their identity and mashes them all together as this species that's meant to be conquered, and that's not cool. Sure, if you said "Thyroid disease occurs in 40% of females," then obviously that's different because it is being used to state facts of the characteristics of the female sex. I know this can't possibly be this hard for some of you to understand. It shouldn't require all of this explanation. If a woman says they don't like being called that, then don't call them that. Just as if your name was Robert and you didn't like being called Bobby. We all deserve the acknowledgement and the respect to be called what we'd like to be called. caninesapien, laralaurent and hippielauryn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The analogous example would not be someone saying that they don't like being called Bobby, but someone deciding that Bobby is an offensive nickname and everyone should go by Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 The analogous example would not be someone saying that they don't like being called Bobby, but someone deciding that Bobby is an offensive nickname and everyone should go by Robert I love that THAT is the only thing you took from this. Absolutely incredible use of zeroing in on the smallest point I was trying to make while completely ignoring the rest. OR you could just accept that fact that people find it offensive and stop using the term? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I love that THAT is the only thing you took from this. Absolutely incredible use of zeroing in on the smallest point I was trying to make while completely ignoring the rest. OR you could just accept that fact that people find it offensive and stop using the term? I'm at work and on my phone. This thread has become a clusterfuck and I don't need to respond to everything said. Maybe later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futures Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I'm at work and on my phone. This thread has become a clusterfuck and I don't need to respond to everything said. Maybe later. You have no idea the irony of your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Avatar Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 It amazes me that people will go to extreme lengths to defend a word when told not to use it. Is it really going to hurt you to stop using the word? The proper term, grammatically, is women. You don't get to decide whether it makes sense for someone else to be offended. futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Nor does anyone has a right to never be offended. People can get mad about whatever they want. Debating a word in the abstract is silly, when the offensiveness, or lack thereof, is about is about usage in context. My opinion. One thing I did learn today is that etymologically the word female is not related to the word male. Not really germane to the discussion here but I thought it was interesting! futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tardcore Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I find it interesting that the same primates who say that "feminist" has a negative connotation go berserk when others say that using "female" as a noun has a negative connotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 feminist [fem-uh-nist] adjective, Sometimes, feministic 1. advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men. ^Yeah I don't really understand how the above can be considered a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with striving for equality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Someone needs to delete this entire thread. Burn it to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 But then where can I put my word origin facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 save it for the next Scripps Spelling Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caninesapien Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Someone needs to delete this entire thread. Burn it to the ground. Some people need educating though futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 we could start a new Female Advice thread so that both men and women have equal representation in the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Some people need educating though It's no use. They glaze right over any valid point made and just keep attempting to justify why they aren't ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
̮ ɤ ̮ Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 You don't see women flipping out about he fact that the human race is called MAN kind. Good lord. I don't know how it is in America, but in Germany we have such people. Not just women, also men who want to change the German language as it's said to be discriminating. There's definitely more important things that need to be changed to finally reach equality between women and men. That being said I don't like the term feminist. I support the idea behind it, but some activists totally spoiled it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
̮ ɤ ̮ Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 we could start a new Female Advice thread so that both men and women have equal representation in the forums. There's already a thread for that. http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/98275-vaginyl-collective-redux-men-view-at-their-own-risk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippielauryn Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Just be a good person to everyone The most important thing to take from the entirety of this cluster fuck. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAXXX Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 There's already a thread for that. http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/98275-vaginyl-collective-redux-men-view-at-their-own-risk/ nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Avatar Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I don't think threads should be deleted because of the ignorance of some. We're supposed to be a community here, and we should strive for education and understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewillisisdead Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 If at least one dude stops saying "females" or rethinks their stance on feminism then it's worth it. Egg Solo said a lot of stuff I was trying to say but couldn't piece together because I got really drunk last night. futures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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THE_James_Champ Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Brucewillisiswasdrunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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