lemongoat Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Well that's your opinion and of course you're entitled to it, but truthfully after fees lost through ebay and paypal and shipping costs, not to mention the fact I haven't even said how much I paid for this in the first place, I can assuredly say 40% off of what I paid is entirely fair based on current pricing on ebay and where the market is headed. It's no longer at the peak we were seeing months ago, prices are going down, and a copy that looks like this won't be fetching even $200+ anymore. But again as I also said if the seller doesn't agree with that I'm more than willing to just send it back for a full refund, but we also know you're not the seller and most likely would never be in this situation considering we all know never to ship a record in a fucking bubble envelope, but a 10-15% refund would be ridiculous and there's no way you'd request that if you were in my position But you don't pay fees, he does Duff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agaetisbyrjun Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I'd be willing to bet if they just dropped it in a bubble mailer, they probably didn't know how to take good care of the records themselves. But I hope I'm wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 But you don't pay fees, he does I'm saying the seller will lose money in fees anyway, ebay doesn't refund final value fees when a damaged item is returned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbbrew22 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 A 10-15% refund is nothing really. If I bought a record I had been wanting for a LONG time for $20 bucks, because it was finally available again as a repress, and it showed up on my doorstep all bent up like that, I would absolutely want more than $3 back for it or I would want a full refund to try to buy elsewhere. Yes it's obviously about the music but record collecting is also about the holding the physical copy of the music in your hands, and that is more than just the piece of wax you are holding. If every time you pulled out your long coveted record to give it a spin, you had to see the damaged packaging it came in, you would constantly be reminded of your disappointment in how it originally arrived to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 So wouldn't he just be out more money? You don't necessarily have to return it as damaged. I'm sure there is a way you can return it where he gets refunded on the fees, which are probably what, $30-$40? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 A 10-15% refund is nothing really. If I bought a record I had been wanting for a LONG time for $20 bucks, because it was finally available again as a repress, and it showed up on my doorstep all bent up like that, I would absolutely want more than $3 back for it or I would want a full refund to try to buy elsewhere. Yes it's obviously about the music but record collecting is also about the holding the physical copy of the music in your hands, and that is more than just the piece of wax you are holding. If every time you pulled out your long coveted record to give it a spin, you had to see the damaged packaging it came in, you would constantly be reminded of your disappointment in how it originally arrived to you. Yes exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethingvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I'm going to find a copy of this somewhere for $5-15. I know it. McCandless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 So wouldn't he just be out more money? You don't necessarily have to return it as damaged. I'm sure there is a way you can return it where he gets refunded on the fees, which are probably what, $30-$40? Yes that's my point, it's more advantageous for them to just give me a partial refund at this point because if they refund my full purchase amount they will still be out those final value fees from ebay, thus double dipping their loss and giving me the edge to just say they should send a partial refund. The final values fees are already owed by the seller to ebay, they are as soon as the auction is over (even if no one pays) In order for the seller to get their final value fees back from ebay I would have to agree to cancel the transaction after the refund has been sent. But that is entirely up to me the buyer. I don't have to accept the request to cancel the transaction, so I will not be if they choose the full refund route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 I'm going to find a copy of this somewhere for $5-15. I know it. I'm throughly jealous of the guy on VC who picked up that copy for around $50 on the bay a few months ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarzioo_ Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 My coworker bought a record for over $1,000 and it arrived slightly warped and he got a full refund. I thought that was a bit much but he said if he paid that much then it better arrived perfect. However OP has a pretty bent up cover. I would be pretty mad about that mainly because it could have been prevented with better packing from the seller Twice I've received things in a bubble mailer. One was the RSD liars so there is nothing but a plastic cover and the vinyl. I was terrified to open both of them but somehow they arrived safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 My coworker bought a record for over $1,000 and it arrived slightly warped and he got a full refund. I thought that was a bit much but he said if he paid that much then it better arrived perfect. However OP has a pretty bent up cover. I would be pretty mad about that mainly because it could have been prevented with better packing from the seller Twice I've received things in a bubble mailer. One was the RSD liars so there is nothing but a plastic cover and the vinyl. I was terrified to open both of them but somehow they arrived safe Happy to hear you've had better luck than myself. When I ordered the Of Monsters and Men RSD from Iceland this year, they shipped it out in a thin cardboard 7" mailer, probably the thickness of 2 pieces of construction paper glued together. By some miracle that arrived in perfect condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossdj26 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I bought a Creation copy of MBV's "Loveless" and it came in a bubble mailer...entire album was scratched evenly on both sides...ugh got my money back but talk about a letdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredheart Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes that's my point, it's more advantageous for them to just give me a partial refund at this point because if they refund my full purchase amount they will still be out those final value fees from ebay, thus double dipping their loss and giving me the edge to just say they should send a partial refund. The final values fees are already owed by the seller to ebay, they are as soon as the auction is over (even if no one pays) In order for the seller to get their final value fees back from ebay I would have to agree to cancel the transaction after the refund has been sent. But that is entirely up to me the buyer. I don't have to accept the request to cancel the transaction, so I will not be if they choose the full refund route. But they can just resell it and get same money back. Some crazy tumblr fan will buy it no matter how it looks for lots of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Yes that's my point, it's more advantageous for them to just give me a partial refund at this point because if they refund my full purchase amount they will still be out those final value fees from ebay, thus double dipping their loss and giving me the edge to just say they should send a partial refund. The final values fees are already owed by the seller to ebay, they are as soon as the auction is over (even if no one pays) In order for the seller to get their final value fees back from ebay I would have to agree to cancel the transaction after the refund has been sent. But that is entirely up to me the buyer. I don't have to accept the request to cancel the transaction, so I will not be if they choose the full refund route. So you're holding him hostage? The person screwed up. It sucks. But you should just send it back and get a refund. You're even that way outside of a bit of time and aggravation. Agree to cancel the transaction so the guy isn't out $30 for a mistake. Especially considering that if he were to sell it again, he'd probably be out $100+ because of the condition of the record. Duff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 So you're holding him hostage? The person screwed up. It sucks. But you should just send it back and get a refund. You're even that way outside of a bit of time and aggravation. Agree to cancel the transaction so the guy isn't out $30 for a mistake. Especially considering that if he were to sell it again, he'd probably be out $100+ because of the condition of the record. I'm not holding him hostage, I'm simply outlining to all of you the situation. It's great that you just said they'd be out $100+ because that's approximately the partial refund I'm seeking. There are two things that can happen at this point. The seller refunds the partial amount I'm requesting and I still get a record that i've been seeking out for a long time and we both lick our wounds and call it a day. Option 2 is I send it back, get a full refund, seller may or may not get fv fees refunded and sells damaged record on ebay. They end up getting a % of what it originally sold for (maybe even less than I'm predicting, who knows) then they still have to pay another round of fv fees, buy packing material etc. And at the end of the day they will still be out the same amount of $ as they would have lost by avoiding all the hassle of sending it back for a full refund. If the seller has a shred of common sense they will go with partial refund, as the end result will be the same for them either way. IMO they deserve to take this loss just to learn the lesson and never let it happen again stl_ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 But they can just resell it and get same money back. Some crazy tumblr fan will buy it no matter how it looks for lots of money. They definitely won't get the same $ back, these have been dropping in price steadily, it's no longer $400+ for every copy that reaches ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 I bought a Creation copy of MBV's "Loveless" and it came in a bubble mailer...entire album was scratched evenly on both sides...ugh got my money back but talk about a letdown I feel your pain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xadamhudsonx Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 IMO they deserve to take this loss just to learn the lesson and never let it happen again VC entitlement at its finest. smailtronic, valve, circuit bored records and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I bought a Creation copy of MBV's "Loveless" and it came in a bubble mailer...entire album was scratched evenly on both sides...ugh got my money back but talk about a letdown You made me check prices on Loveless on discogs. Is that red copy from 2003 really going for ~$130? Cuz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 could have been worse... you could have gotten this in the mail instead Brevity38, imaxcowboyx, Snaggle Von Swift and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtcohenour Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I don't think Ebay will refund you without it being returned I had a guy send a CD to me a few months ago that broke in half during shipping. E-Bay refunded me and didnt require that I return the CD. This was probably the case because the buyer was verbally abusive when I asked for him to fix the issue after it arrived to me broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlightvinyl Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 could have been worse... you could have gotten this in the mail instead Lol well at least the sleeve still looks good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacredheart Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Lol well at least the sleeve still looks good And that is what he is bitching about most, who cares what they sound like! TFP, xadamhudsonx and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhulud Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Hit this guy up for a new copy... http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-DejaEntendu-Vinyl-LP-circa-survive-coheed-/121414451132?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1c44dd7fbc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Hit this guy up for a new copy... http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-DejaEntendu-Vinyl-LP-circa-survive-coheed-/121414451132?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1c44dd7fbc A big story on the sticker incident but no photo of it? It's definitely worse than he's making out.Edit. Ignore me, I'm an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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