cbbrew22 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I did the co-op and I only remember ever getting two releases, both of which I never cared for and are still sealed. sitting in a box in my parents basement. Can someone tell me what the four releases were? Maybe I did get them all but just forgot. I'm glad to see that some of them hold at least a little value. I think I'll probably put them up on the 'bay and try to get a bit if scrilla for those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamb117 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 so this is what this fucking guy looks like? he's posted six copies of daggermouth's turf wars on ebay. i asked him how many he was hoarding and he, unfazed, said about 15. sweet distro, scumbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I did the co-op and I only remember ever getting two releases, both of which I never cared for and are still sealed. sitting in a box in my parents basement. Can someone tell me what the four releases were? Maybe I did get them all but just forgot. I'm glad to see that some of them hold at least a little value. I think I'll probably put them up on the 'bay and try to get a bit if scrilla for those. The Falcon - God Don't Make No Trash The Jealous Sound - Kill Them With Kindness A Wilhelm Scream - Mute Print This Charming Man - Demos (Or something, I don't quite remember. I traded mine for a copy of Beelzebubba by The Dead Milkmen) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 congrats on the most popular post in the "like era" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Boom bitches Werner Herzog, dethrock, popscratch and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Can't wait to buy $60 worth of suburban home distribution records plasma36 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Herzog Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Glad to see you got your money back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightyseancore Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 this thread is amazing. makes me glad i spend so much time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The Falcon - God Don't Make No Trash The Jealous Sound - Kill Them With Kindness A Wilhelm Scream - Mute Print This Charming Man - Demos (Or something, I don't quite remember. I traded mine for a copy of Beelzebubba by The Dead Milkmen) It was an actual cd release called "every little secret". This was the band that eventually grew into the Gaslight Anthem. Decent material but not as good as what was to come. Also, the Falcon is a band that contains members of the Lawrence Arms, Alkaline Trio and Rise Against. Solid record. Just in case anyone isn't into this kinda music and was wondering. Jealous Sound and Wilhelm Scream never touched my record player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitterhappier Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Is there a way to like a thread? Because this thread deserves one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
companyinkrecs Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Wow, that article reads like it was written by a 15 year old. never understood why you guys always referenced this. Pretty hilarious. Mike what was the jpg you linked in your email? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseydave77 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The Falcon - God Don't Make No Trash The Jealous Sound - Kill Them With Kindness A Wilhelm Scream - Mute Print This Charming Man - Demos (Or something, I don't quite remember. I traded mine for a copy of Beelzebubba by The Dead Milkmen) Rad - that is a great trade on the TCM. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 never understood why you guys always referenced this. Pretty hilarious. Mike what was the jpg you linked in your email? the photo of him at the hockey game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm too new to the boards to know what happened here. Was it basically another RJ type story? The short of it: Virgil started Suburban Home records first. When vinyl began becoming popular again, he started vinyl collective. It was a message board and distro. He had a ton of success at first -- I think he said he did a million dollars in revenue around '07 or '08. He had a few people working for him and a warehouse of records. Pretty well liked guy and the head honcho around here. The VC coop was a label that was supposed to work this way -- 200 people pay $60. The label uses the money to fund vinyl projects. The pressings would be something like /1000. Everyone in the coop gets a free copy, 100 goes to the band / label, the other 700 get sold. The process repeats indefinitely with the bank account staying around level. When the economy crashed, people stopped buying so many records. He started losing a ton of money. Kept a lid on everything and racked up debt. He came up with weird schemes like "pay us $1000 and get a copy of every record suburban home / VC releases for life", but he didn't lead on that he was in a nasty financial situation and suckered a few people in. A lot more people bought things like "$25 for a card that gets you 20% off everything at VC". Then the wheels started coming off. Labels posted on here messages that were along the lines of "Virgil -- please send us our money". Virgil closed the VC distro, sold the message board to SRC, and began ebaying whatever stock he had left. I believe he got divorced at this time too. No one really knows how much money he owed and what he has paid back. The VC Coop members are due their $60 back but until this thread, I don't think anyone had much hope of getting it. He went underground. However, he did start a new label and called it "Greater Than Collective", which was really a poor decision in almost everyone's mind. And oh yeah, there was this big fiasco where Virgil rented a bus to travel around Denver and visit craft beer breweries when he owed a ton of people money. People took a very big offense to this, sending him a lot of facebook messages and emails and stuff like "Hey how about you pay people back their money rather than tour beer breweries". My opinion on the guy -- Stupid decision maker, but not malicious. I think that is different from RJ, who knowingly stole a bunch of money (I'm not as familiar with RJ). Virgil is just a fuck up who should be kicked out of the scene but he seems to have found a new group of artists to latch on to. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withengineheart Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 well this was the most interesting news of my day. thanks again, VC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudeboydh Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Cool. Good to know that whole story. Not nearly as bad as RJ, but still pretty terrible. I joined the boards midway through the Blink 182 TOYPAJ fiasco last year, so I went back and read a bunch of that thread to see what it was all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
companyinkrecs Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The short of it: Virgil started Suburban Home records first. When vinyl began becoming popular again, he started vinyl collective. It was a message board and distro. He had a ton of success at first -- I think he said he did a million dollars in revenue around '07 or '08. He had a few people working for him and a warehouse of records. Pretty well liked guy and the head honcho around here. The VC coop was a label that was supposed to work this way -- 200 people pay $60. The label uses the money to fund vinyl projects. The pressings would be something like /1000. Everyone in the coop gets a free copy, 100 goes to the band / label, the other 700 get sold. The process repeats indefinitely with the bank account staying around level. When the economy crashed, people stopped buying so many records. He started losing a ton of money. Kept a lid on everything and racked up debt. He came up with weird schemes like "pay us $1000 and get a copy of every record suburban home / VC releases for life", but he didn't lead on that he was in a nasty financial situation and suckered a few people in. A lot more people bought things like "$25 for a card that gets you 20% off everything at VC". Then the wheels started coming off. Labels posted on here messages that were along the lines of "Virgil -- please send us our money". Virgil closed the VC distro, sold the message board to SRC, and began ebaying whatever stock he had left. I believe he got divorced at this time too. No one really knows how much money he owed and what he has paid back. The VC Coop members are due their $60 back but until this thread, I don't think anyone had much hope of getting it. He went underground. However, he did start a new label and called it "Greater Than Collective", which was really a poor decision in almost everyone's mind. And oh yeah, there was this big fiasco where Virgil rented a bus to travel around Denver and visit craft beer breweries when he owed a ton of people money. People took a very big offense to this, sending him a lot of facebook messages and emails and stuff like "Hey how about you pay people back their money rather than tour beer breweries". My opinion on the guy -- Stupid decision maker, but not malicious. I think that is different from RJ, who knowingly stole a bunch of money (I'm not as familiar with RJ). Virgil is just a fuck up who should be kicked out of the scene but he seems to have found a new group of artists to latch on to. Wasn't a part of this, but it doesn't sound that much different than RJ, at least as far as their demises go. Only difference is the bus tour = tattoos. At one point, RJ actually thought he was going to release TOYPAJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Wasn't a part of this, but it doesn't sound that much different than RJ, at least as far as their demises go. Only difference is the bus tour = tattoos. At one point, RJ actually thought he was going to release TOYPAJ. I haven't read the TOYPAJ thread cause it got to the point where I just said "eff this, I'm not spending an entire day reading message board posts". Should have just bit the bullet and jumped in when it was 30 pages or so. Virgil seems to be trying to return money to the people he owes but it's not like he can just print it up. Good to see that he is still righting his wrongs 2 or 3 years later. RJ just took the money and ran, right? That's why I take the opinion that Virgil is a stupid but decent-hearted guy while RJ is a crook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
companyinkrecs Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I haven't read the TOYPAJ thread cause it got to the point where I just said "eff this, I'm not spending an entire day reading message board posts". Should have just bit the bullet and jumped in when it was 30 pages or so. Virgil seems to be trying to return money to the people he owes but it's not like he can just print it up. Good to see that he is still righting his wrongs 2 or 3 years later. RJ just took the money and ran, right? That's why I take the opinion that Virgil is a stupid but decent-hearted guy while RJ is a crook. I'm not defending RJ (though I was a lucky one who got a refund early) but I guess it's yet to be seen. He went underground, just as you're saying Virgil did. Maybe he'll start shelling out refunds one by one over the next few years too. IF of course, someone catching him sitting behind the benches. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I am all squared away with virgil when it comes to what he owed me money and records wise, but it left me with a large headache. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 there were two options at the end of the Co-op 1. Take the final 2 VC COOP Records and get a refund of $30 (in SH Trade or cash)2. Take no more records and get a refund of $60 (in SH Trade or cash) needless to say, its nice to know that almost 2 years later, I got my money and neither This Charming Man or Bigwig. VIRGIL, PAY MY GAS BILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfoster8 Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Hell yeah. Glad you got your money back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burntwolf Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 when that suburban home email went out about the new release, i replied and asked about the 30 bucks...no reply... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamlikesmusic Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 there were two options at the end of the Co-op 1. Take the final 2 VC COOP Records and get a refund of $30 (in SH Trade or cash) 2. Take no more records and get a refund of $60 (in SH Trade or cash) needless to say, its nice to know that almost 2 years later, I got my money and neither This Charming Man or Bigwig. VIRGIL, PAY MY GAS BILL Was This Charming Man one of those 2 final records? I didn't think that was one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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