Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I hated this season's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundofsilver Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Let's start the real debate! Which season had the better theme song? Neutral. Both fit each one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacooper Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Just got to watch this. I actually really enjoyed this season. I thought the back stories of the characters were good, casting was pretty good, and you got more invests as time went on. Was obviously very different from Season 1 but I came in hoping that it would be, only because I knew they couldn't do the same thing twice. Wife says the only disappointment was how short this season was. Seemed like there was more to the characters that could have been played on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantdance Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Really liked the season. It was ambitious and well produced and I loved Ray's character whole-heartedly while either liking/hating the other characters. Ani was pretty great, too. I thought the 2nd half really won me over after a Luke-Warm start. Also, am I crazy, or did the lyrics and delivery of the theme song change with each episode in the last half of the song? I swear it was always different. Kinda trippy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breezus Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 They did. I read somewhere that they always featured a different part of the song for each episode. I only realized that in Episode 6. I really like Nevermind, I thought the intro was very well done. I can't remember S1's intro though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Wife says the only disappointment was how short this season was. Seemed like there was more to the characters that could have been played on. To be fair they only had 2 leads in the first season, in the second there were 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacooper Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 To be fair they only had 2 leads in the first season, in the second there were 4. Very true, It just seemed like this season went by so quickly and the only character they really spent any significant time developing a backstory for was Ray. The other backstories/little dialogue parts they did on the other characters to give you some idea of where they came from just felt rushed and/or like throw away dialogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 woodrough simply didn't need to exist. his entire story was nonsense filler. and that fits the narrative that i've been reading quite a bit the last couple days- that there simply wasn't enough story to tell here to fill 8 episodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyacrash Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I don't understand why we can't compare the two seasons? They had the same writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanRees Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I don't understand why we can't compare the two seasons? They had the same writer. To me, they are just so different in every way regardless of being the same writer and series name. I personally went into it knowing it was going to be a completely different animal than season 1 and viewed it as having zero connection. The same will go for season 3 if that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I mean. It was the story of detectives whose murder investigation spiraled into a web of institutional corruption, sex crimes and coverups from high ranking players. So was season one. Both of which were written entirely by the same writer. I think it is fine to compare and the judge season one against season two. Honestly, you should be comparing the two, so should HBO. Criticism is an important part of growth. That concludes my personal opinion. 3arl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I enjoyed the finale. Not gonna lie, I was in the group who found it very hard to follow at times. I'll watch it again when it comes out on blu-ray/DVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atticus Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Is it just me or did Lera Lynn's songs remind anyone else of Chris Issak with a better voice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Heart Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I enjoyed the finale. Not gonna lie, I was in the group who found it very hard to follow at times. I'll watch it again when it comes out on blu-ray/DVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shitty Rambo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 To me, they are just so different in every way regardless of being the same writer and series name. I personally went into it knowing it was going to be a completely different animal than season 1 and viewed it as having zero connection. The same will go for season 3 if that happens. I get where you're coming from but it's all in the same universe. Season two shouldn't be immune to comparison for novelty's sake. I honestly think they didn't assume season one would hit as hard as it did and so S02 had a lot to live up to. To play devil's advocate the two seasons are so drastically different of course fans were going to be somewhat discontent, all the details aside the first was more of a suspense crime drama and the second was more of a gritty pulp action series. That's a big leap. The format they're using is experimental, which is why nobody should be surprised by any backlash. People are just used to a show keeping the same tone throughout it's run, even when it reboots between seasons (i.e. American Horror Story). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhulud Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Is it just me or did Lera Lynn's songs remind anyone else of Chris Issak with a better voice? She has a very even-toned somber pitch. I dig that. And in some songs she definitely reminds me of Issak. Good call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3arl Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I mean. It was the story of detectives whose murder investigation spiraled into a web of institutional corruption, sex crimes and coverups from high ranking players. So was season one. Both of which were written entirely by the same writer. I think it is fine to compare and the judge season one against season two. Honestly, you should be comparing the two, so should HBO. Criticism is an important part of growth. That concludes my personal opinion. BINGO I finally got around to the finale tonight and really enjoyed it. I'd give this episode an A- and the season as a whole a B-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just a normal guy kevin Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If they had paced the first three episodes better and the mid-season reset felt more earned as a culminating midpoint climax rather than a confusing, unexpected story explosion, the season would have been better received. Second half was waaaay better than first. Also, Vince Vaughn's choice to play a character who is awkwardly trying to act like something he isn't made critics attack him as being a poor actor. I thought all his scenes as the true Frank were well acted and I buy that the awkward stuff early on was a choice to play Frank as awkward in his new straight skin. Also, people hated this before the season started it seemed like. The rocky first half only made it worse. Hate watching is the new way of watching TV shows now to the point that some people eagerly anticipate and plan to hate watch things before they've actually seen them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smwalsh6 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I liked this season for sure, and didn't have a terribly hard time following the plot. I got over the whole "this season is so different from season 1" thing by the second episode. But man, I really didn't like Farrell and Kitshch's performances. And I usually really like Farrell, but the more dramatic scenes with him (especially the custody battle stuff) were killing me! I don't get the hate for Vaughn. The beginning of the season was a little weird for his character but it seemed to stem from some clunky dialogue to me. Thought McAdams killed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanRees Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I mean. It was the story of detectives whose murder investigation spiraled into a web of institutional corruption, sex crimes and coverups from high ranking players. So was season one. Both of which were written entirely by the same writer. I think it is fine to compare and the judge season one against season two. Honestly, you should be comparing the two, so should HBO. Criticism is an important part of growth. That concludes my personal opinion. I get where you're coming from but it's all in the same universe. Season two shouldn't be immune to comparison for novelty's sake. I can see the other side of the coin, and i don't fault anyone for comparing them. Just for me personally i went into it completely detached from Season 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
̮ ɤ ̮ Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I liked this season for sure, and didn't have a terribly hard time following the plot. I got over the whole "this season is so different from season 1" thing by the second episode. But man, I really didn't like Farrell and Kitshch's performances. And I usually really like Farrell, but the more dramatic scenes with him (especially the custody battle stuff) were killing me! I don't get the hate for Vaughn. The beginning of the season was a little weird for his character but it seemed to stem from some clunky dialogue to me. Thought McAdams killed it. I actually liked Farrell a lot this time. Usually I'm not really a fan of him, but scenes like the one in prison, where he was talking to his wife's rapist, that was intense. But I agree on Kitsch's weak performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantdance Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I liked Farrell and McAddams the most. Vaughn was much better once I got a handle on his character and his last few eposodes were great. Kitsch did fine. Just a weak character. Plus. I found the like underlying message of his death odd. "Too bad you're gay because we wouldn't have been able to extort you if you just liked yourself and were proud of yourself!" Plus I loved his scene with Ray in the car together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just a normal guy kevin Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 A lot of the dude characters were trying to be something they weren't. Ray was a good dude who was trying to be a bastard. Frank was a cunning gangster trying to be a sophisticated businessman. Kitsch was a tortured gay dude trying to be a masculine guy who was unaffected by his past. Each of them ended up dying and losing everything because of their attempts to be those things they weren't. If Ray hadn't killed that guy, Frank hadn't tried to go into business with Semyon, and Kitsch had been openly gay, they'd prob last a little longer on this earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantdance Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Hmm, yeah I like that explanation a lot actually. Especially since Paul threw himself into a failure of a relationship because of a baby. To guarantee he'd be seen as the 'normal' man he wished he could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzersonKillwell Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Right. Hence the tagline I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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