UnclePumpy Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Saw Mastodon last night at First Ave - amazing show, with 'Hearts Alive' starting things off. I'll add my gripe about Mastodon vinyl prices - $70+ for the new album is just ridiculous, and vinyl at the merch booth last night was $40, or $60 for signed versions. C'mon, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattycakes Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Is there going to be a double and single LP version as they've done in previous releases? Assuming the Amazon preorder is the single LP due to the price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The Hunter is amazing. This is coming from a Mastodon fanboy, but I didn't see anything wrong with the change in direction that was made with this record. Yeah, it was more progressive than sludge, but it's not really that different from Crack the Skye in that regard. Just not Remission or Leviathan, Pt. II like a lot of people wanted. That being said, I'm seeing these guys tomorrow and nothing is more exciting than the fact that I'm gonna see Naked Burn live. So stoked. So...you're saying that The Hunter was more progressive than say...Leviathan or Crack the Skye? There is no way that is true. The band themselves said that it didn't have a unified theme, but more of a motif, whereas the other albums up to this point all were themed around an "element" and were more cohesive. That's what prog is, man, it isn't a "sound". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWorthyIcons Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 So...you're saying that The Hunter was more progressive than say...Leviathan or Crack the Skye? There is no way that is true. The band themselves said that it didn't have a unified theme, but more of a motif, whereas the other albums up to this point all were themed around an "element" and were more cohesive. That's what prog is, man, it isn't a "sound". I'm agreeing and disagreeing with this. Yes, progressive music is usually conceptually-based, but most people associate progressive music with a certain degree of experimental and complex sound. If prog is only a unified theme, then anyone that does a concept record is prog. And I didn't say that it was more progressive than Crack the Skye, simply that those two had more of a progressive metal feel to them than Remission and Leviathan. But that's just, like, my opinion, man. TheGhostOfRandySavage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red dirt Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Unsane, Slayer and The Ramones did not change I don't know about it, man. Take Road to Ruin and Brain Drain... I hear a pretty big difference, there. But my point is that it's natural for a band's sound to change over time. Mastodon may be more elastic than some others, but my musical tastes wander a bit, too. That's what keeps things interesting for me, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedshabazz Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Saw Mastodon last night at First Ave - amazing show, with 'Hearts Alive' starting things off. I'll add my gripe about Mastodon vinyl prices - $70+ for the new album is just ridiculous, and vinyl at the merch booth last night was $40, or $60 for signed versions. C'mon, man! The most important thing is how much was kvelertak merch. That is something i would actually buy. Mastodon hasnt had reasonably priced merch in a while. I got a shirt on the blood mountain tour and that was 20. Next time i saw them they were taking the 40 dollar shirt route and that was it for me. That being said im still excited for this new record. I have enjoyed each album for what they are. Would i like them to go back to remission style, sure, but that clearly isint going to happen and they have grown into what they have become. It is nice to see them start the show with a song they dont seem to ever play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I'm agreeing and disagreeing with this. Yes, progressive music is usually conceptually-based, but most people associate progressive music with a certain degree of experimental and complex sound. If prog is only a unified theme, then anyone that does a concept record is prog. And I didn't say that it was more progressive than Crack the Skye, simply that those two had more of a progressive metal feel to them than Remission and Leviathan. But that's just, like, my opinion, man. +1, I hear what you're saying. Edit: I should point out that the +1 was more for Lebowski'ing me than anything else NoWorthyIcons and mcpherson123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achillesstand7 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 The most important thing is how much was kvelertak merch. That is something i would actually buy. I believe it was $30 for their LP and $30 for shirts. I got to the show just as Kvelertak was taking down their equipment. It was a bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twatay Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 That's what prog is, man, it isn't a "sound". Wut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWorthyIcons Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I should point out that the +1 was more for Lebowski'ing me than anything else +1 returned, good sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWorthyIcons Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 vinyl at the merch booth last night was $40, or $60 for signed versions. C'mon, man! I love Mastodon, but if you're gonna sign your records, don't modify the pricetag. That is serious flipper-esque bullshit. Good thing the only thing I'm considering picking up tonight is some Gojira wax if the price is right. TheGhostOfRandySavage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedshabazz Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I love Mastodon, but if you're gonna sign your records, don't modify the pricetag. That is serious flipper-esque bullshit. Good thing the only thing I'm considering picking up tonight is some Gojira wax if the price is right. Agreed. They have all those represses that came out recently so might be on par or more than what they are selling for if you bought it retail. I was going to grab some kvelertak stuff tonight but 30 bucks for a shirt is alot. My main hope is they will have the pens game on in between bands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicondevil Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I believe it was $30 for their LP and $30 for shirts. I got to the show just as Kvelertak was taking down their equipment. It was a bummer. That sucks that you missed them. If I compare the last time I saw Mastodon with the last time I saw Kvelertak there would be no contest, Kvelertak would completely destroy. Also as far as merch prices go, some of these venues can charge a nice percentage for each item that a band sells. That is one reason why merch costs so much at these bigger shows. I know at the Greek in Berkeley they charge 30%. This is not an excuse for signing an album and selling it for $70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedshabazz Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 That sucks that you missed them. If I compare the last time I saw Mastodon with the last time I saw Kvelertak there would be no contest, Kvelertak would completely destroy. Also as far as merch prices go, some of these venues can charge a nice percentage for each item that a band sells. That is one reason why merch costs so much at these bigger shows. I know at the Greek in Berkeley they charge 30%. This is not an excuse for signing an album and selling it for $70. Thats crap they take a piece of merch. If thats the case the bands should get 30% of alcohol and food sales. Merch was the place that was supposedto be off limits to venues since they make money hand over fist with alcohol sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiatorhums Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Also as far as merch prices go, some of these venues can charge a nice percentage for each item that a band sells. That is one reason why merch costs so much at these bigger shows. I know at the Greek in Berkeley they charge 30%. This is not an excuse for signing an album and selling it for $70. 30% is insane. I've heard of places doing 10-15%, which is unfair enough. I'm guessing most bands don't have much choice where they play, or at least not enough to boycott venues that do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjkenney Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 wow I didn't know that was a thing. Thats fucked up! Yeah boycotting venues would be a damn hard thing to do. Pearl Jam tried that, buuuut it was quite the feat. Still think its one of the cooler 'fuck-yous' a band has gone through with to stick it to the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I love Mastodon, but if you're gonna sign your records, don't modify the pricetag. That is serious flipper-esque bullshit. Good thing the only thing I'm considering picking up tonight is some Gojira wax if the price is right. Yeah, when I saw them back on a tour they did with Baroness there were pulling that shit and I haven't been to a Mastodon show since. Two of the guys are from the town I'm from (where they were playing) so, to do that in your own home town where people know you makes it even worse in my opinion. I still love those dudes, and I still pick up their albums at reasonable prices when I can. But I can't abide that kind of price gouging. NoWorthyIcons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedshabazz Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The biggest problem is people are paying it. If it wasnt working they would probably stop. Not saying they should do it in the first place but people are dropping alot of funds at shows and ebay to pick up these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkticon Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 30% is insane. I've heard of places doing 10-15%, which is unfair enough. I'm guessing most bands don't have much choice where they play, or at least not enough to boycott venues that do that. Not just that, but bands are responsible for paying sales tax on your purchase. That's why your shirt is $25, not $28.76 or some such. As well as paying any credit card fees if you use your card. Ever been to Wolf Trap in Vienna, VA? Like a lot of venues at that level, they mandate that venue sellers only are to sell merch. The band's hired merch people can't sell. Which leads to a loss in sales already, because the locals have no idea what products they're slinging. And then, their split is: 65/35 (they take 35%) + 5% Virginia state sales tax + 4% credit card processing fees So your average $30 shirt becomes a $10 net for the band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 +1, I hear what you're saying. Edit: I should point out that the +1 was more for Lebowski'ing me than anything else I thumbs up'd you for using Lebowski as a verb. I want to weigh in here and say that there are many types of sounds produced by multiple different instruments (usually two in tandem) that mean "prog" sound to me. Like a dual guitar harmony and octopus like drumming. I could point out multiple spots in the music as examples but I'm too lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embracetomorrow Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Is this too good to be true? http://www.shopradiocast.com/products/Mastodon-%252d-Once-More-Round-The-Sun-2XLP.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannibal Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 That's kind of the price most sites and retail have it at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embracetomorrow Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 For the 2xLP? and why have i not seen these until today? Just put my order in lol. So you think its the exact same as on the Warner website? quad gatefold, 4 lithographs, comes with the cd....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannibal Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I think the lithographs are exclusive to the Warner site. If this is a single LP, then yikes, I'll pass for sure at this price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattycakes Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Really confuses if there is a single AND double LP set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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