stl_ben Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Is this the equivalent to if you buy a really expensive car you are allowed to speed? Because you know you spent more on a car than anyone else? Or more like the bankers who steal money.....because they have more money than everyone they are allowed to take even more with no consequences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Is this the equivalent to if you buy a really expensive car you are allowed to speed? Because you know you spent more on a car than anyone else? Hahahahaha. You always have the worst fucking analogies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 To those of you citing the thousands of dollars you spend on vinyl every year as an excuse for stealing music, remember to subtract the vinyl you buy on the secondary market and the amount you profit when you sell vinyl that has increased in value.This is hardly relevant to me. I purchase maybe 2-3 albums max on the secondary market each year. I stll stand by my post, firmly. I would be curious what someone like Kevin or Seth from Topshelf, or Jeff from RFC would say about this, since they post here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 And for those of you shitting on downloading music illegally, what is better: I download a new release from a band I'm unfamiliar with for free. I am therefore exposed to music I otherwise would have been unfamiliar with, and get excited about it. I post about the band on social media, or show some friends the music. Then if the band ever happens to come through my hometown, I'm guaranteed to buy a ticket to their show, and probably grab a record and tee shirt at the show, if I haven't already done that. OR. I don't want to spend $10 on a digital release I'm unfamiliar with. Therefore, I don't end up listening to the band. I don't get excited about the band, and show friends or post about it on social media. They come through my town, and I don't go to their show because I don't know their music. And obviously this doesn't apply to every release. But if we're using shitty analogies here, if I go and test drive a car, and I don't like it, I'm not going to give the dealership 20k because they let me drive around in it for a bit for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksuwdboots Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Approx. 20 copies of the clear available on VinylLoop for $16.50: http://vinylloop.com/collections/frontpage/products/sufjan-stevens-carrie-lowell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC1221 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'm loving this but worried I won't be able to get a clear copy from my local shops. Is this clear available anywhere online right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'm loving this but worried I won't be able to get a clear copy from my local shops. Is this clear available anywhere online right now? Approx. 20 copies of the clear available on VinylLoop for $16.50: http://vinylloop.com/collections/frontpage/products/sufjan-stevens-carrie-lowell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazza43 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Clear sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantark Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 SRC http://www.shopradiocast.com/products/Sufjan-Stevens-%252d-Carrie-%26-Lowell-LP.html Luna, too http://shop.lunamusic.net/mobile/product.aspx?ProductCode=sscl&404;http://shop.lunamusic.net:80/SUFJAN-STEVENS-Carrie-and-Lowell-CLEAR-vinyl-ed-p/sscl.htm= DC1221 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 And obviously this doesn't apply to every release. But if we're using shitty analogies here, if I go and test drive a car, and I don't like it, I'm not going to give the dealership 20k because they let me drive around in it for a bit for free. This analogy is much worse. That analogy is like streaming the album legally and deciding not to buy it. What you're talking about, is taking a car off the lot driving away to decide if you want to buy a more expensive model later. It's not that hard to find streams of most records or listen to several songs before you decide if an album is for you. When I check out new music, I know, after listening to two or three songs whether a record is worth buying. I'm not saying I've never downloaded music, but I find it interesting that a few people here felt the need to announce their defense of why it's okay to download music illegally. i think it's a tough platform to have. But to go back to your argument... Are there ever albums that you kind of like that you keep in your digital library that didn't warrant a vinyl purchase? are there albums you've downloaded that aren't available on vinyl? did you turn around and pay for them on itunes? probably not. A lot of bands sell music at their shows, and if you go up to them and say "hey, can i have a free cd? i paid for my ticket to be here!" i think i could guess what they'd say. That's a very thin argument. It's just not that black and white. Just because you go to shows, tell your friends, and buy merch doesn't mean that other people don't do all those things PLUS pay for the album. This is hardly relevant to me. I purchase maybe 2-3 albums max on the secondary market each year. I stll stand by my post, firmly. I would be curious what someone like Kevin or Seth from Topshelf, or Jeff from RFC would say about this, since they post here. I'll tell you what they'd say (AK included) if it didn't mean giving some people a negative attitude... they'd say it sucks. it especially sucks that people take advance copies and put them on the internet. it severely diminishes first week sales. Independent labels (especially) are backed into a corner and have to do what they can to appeal to the consumer. They are coming to terms with the fact that a lot of the people coming to shows aren't necessarily buying the record. But by saying "this is bullshit! stop it!" they are not connecting with the fans that they unfortunately need to survive. I think their statement was pretty powerful, because it seems like quite a few people are going to respect them more and decide to buy the record when they may not have otherwise. It was the most beneficial response they could have made, but it's basically a "if you can't beat them, join them" response and fans shouldn't be proud of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 This analogy is much worse. That analogy is like streaming the album legally and deciding not to buy it. What you're talking about, is taking a car off the lot driving away to decide if you want to buy a more expensive model later. It's not that hard to find streams of most records or listen to several songs before you decide if an album is for you. When I check out new music, I know, after listening to two or three songs whether a record is worth buying. I'm not saying I've never downloaded music, but I find it interesting that a few people here felt the need to announce their defense of why it's okay to download music illegally. i think it's a tough platform to have. When I'm supporting bands as much as I am able to, while being a broke university student, I don't see it being a tough platform to have at all. I pay for as much music as I can without putting myself in financial danger. I go to as many shows as I can. If I buy a record or tee shirt from a band at a show for $15, I'll always hand them a $20 and tell them to keep the extra $5, because I know that's money in their pocket, and I'm going to do as much as I can to keep bands whose intellectual property I enjoy going. I listen to a lot of new music, and I can't possibly pay for ALL of it. However, I also don't want to stream it using Spotify and get hit with ads every 3 songs. I'm also not going to support a music streaming site where I can go and buy a $5 EP from a band, and they'll see more money from that than if I stream their record 100 times on Spotify. If you buy a physical copy of a record, and it doesn't come with a DL code, is it then alright to download it illegally? Obviously this is slightly aside from our discussion, but I'm curious. I don't want to sound all high and mighty, like I'm single handedly saving the music industry, but like I said, by buying literally hundreds of records directly from small labels, and directly from bands on tour or their webstore, or wearing band merch every day of the week, I'd like to think that I'm doing a lot more good than harm for these bands and labels, even if I only own 3/5 of their discography on vinyl, and 2/5 have been downloaded for free. And I know the analogy was shitty. I said it was. But it was at least closer to being relevant than stl_ben's attempt at a post. _stretts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumplum Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Vinyl Loop has a few clear ones left for $16.50 plus free shipping http://vinylloop.com/collections/frontpage/products/sufjan-stevens-carrie-lowell?utm_source=Vinyl+Loop&utm_campaign=44acf704be-March_Deals3_10_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_754c5b531d-44acf704be-417313449&mc_cid=44acf704be&mc_eid=73f336372e Edit: Never mind, clear is sold out. Only black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiatorhums Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 They are coming to terms with the fact that a lot of the people coming to shows aren't necessarily buying the record. There is the argument that you release an album to promote your tour, because being on the road is where the money is now. In the past, you'd tour to promote the album, now it's flip flopped. The record becomes a promo item. I don't know if I agree with that entirely or not, but I think it's interesting to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O4Onyee Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 After hearing the leak, I really enjoy this album. I feel like this album has that dreary winter feel to it a bit. I will pick up a clear copy from my local record store on release day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If you ordered the album through AK, they just sent out the download for the whole album. Very cool of them. Still waiting for the vinyl though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardedSteven Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I only got a download of the singles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack8urt0n Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I only got a download of the singles... Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlyfoz Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If you ordered the album through AK, they just sent out the download for the whole album. Very cool of them. Still waiting for the vinyl though. I would check what you actually downloaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorgante Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Album is so good. Excited to spin this soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I would check what you actually downloaded. my bad. the link said "Carrie & Lowell CD" so I assumed. I didn't download it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_stretts Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Further to the debate http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/11/ministry-of-sound-streaming-switch-off-free?CMP=ema_632 I think what you do is you take casual consumers of music and you turn them from purchasers into noshers, into browsers, into snackers. They don’t have to engage in the subscription model. The reality of some of the bigger streaming services is that 75% of their user base are free, which has a horrific impact on the music industry and its ability to invest in talent going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillalivetui Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 This album is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toomanyrecords Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 This album is incredible. I've listened 3 times now and each time it's just as heavy. I think it's Sufjan's best and that's coming from someone who loves all his albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkazoid Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 With every listen this album just gets me more and more right in the feels. Dark, beautiful and wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetDramaKing17 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Anybody know where a clear might still be available? Can't seem to find one. Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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