markok Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I never do these type of threads, but long story short, I sold a record (Dehtklok picture disc) to a guy in US for rather cheap (retail price basically). Dude was super OCD (spent at least an hour replying to his questions initially) - no problem, thought that was cool, Im the same way. What he was very concerned about is that whether the record was in good shape or not (it was new), didnt care about the small split on the jacket or the corner dings (I had supersize images in the auction anyway). So now he received the record and to my surprise, the record is supposedly chipped (out of all options). I re-used a amazon.com record mailer and shipped from Europe. Is the chipping like this even possible? Just look at the pictures. Basically, the guy is asking all of his money or most of it back. Right when I asked to send me more pictures of the chipping (different angles), I have had no more replies. Now, I dont want to be an ass, but I have a feeling that either this guy is not sending me pictures of the record I sent him or he is smothering some paper glue on this in the bathroom. He started to threaten with bad feedback off the bat with his first message. The inner sleeve is also supposedly split on all three possible sides, I can believe the bottom split, but the others seem shady. The last pictures is supposedly showing how the record was poking out from the inner sleeve when he opened the package, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulManella Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 From the picture it looks like it's on dead space and wouldn't actually affect how it plays at all. Cosmetic damage you weren't responsible for shouldn't warrant a full refund unless he returns it. But this is like.... My opionon man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markok Posted March 29, 2014 Author Share Posted March 29, 2014 He is trying to play the return card (as a second option), but this would mean that I would have to pay for the return shipping to Europe (which is basically half the price he initially paid - and he knows that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aflycon Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 The second picture looks suspiciously like glue, dude. I'd ask him to send another picture of the same thing and see if it looks the same, if I were you. Seems like the most foolproof way to see if he's playing you with glue. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Sounds like he bought his first record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamalatapes Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 He's screwing you man. Wouldn't you have remembered seeing that shit before sending it out? I'd say screw him have it shipped back and resell it. Althought maybe he switched it from his collection already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markok Posted March 29, 2014 Author Share Posted March 29, 2014 The record I sent him was mint. If I would ask him to send it back, I would lose about 35 USD in total (the initial shipping and return shipping, haha). I wouldnt be bothered with this at all, but what makes me sick to the stomach, is that I gave him a great deal to begin with (the record is actually worth three times that I asked). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nothingnatural Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 This guy definitely seems like a pain in the ass. I have quite a few records I've bought over the years that have problems on the outer edge but it doesn't affect playback so it's a non issue to me. I also get a laugh out of people who cry over split inner sleeves. I'm sorry you have to deal with one of these types of buyers. The unfortunate fact is that the buyer usually wins these situations (especially if it's eBay/PayPal involved). Let us know what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamalatapes Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 The record I sent him was mint. If I would ask him to send it back, I would lose about 35 USD in total (the initial shipping and return shipping, haha). I wouldnt be bothered with this at all, but what makes me sick to the stomach, is that I gave him a great deal to begin with (the record is actually worth three times that I asked). I sold a record worth about 100$ many many months ago. The guy claimed the album sleeve was damaged in the process of shipping. He wanted me to give him half a refund. (I Sent it priority) which has up to 50$ insurance. The dick wanted me to pay him 50$ and I told him to show me the photographs and he waited 4 days before devising a plan to either jam the sleeve himself or photoshop it (he was a photographer btw, I searched his name and found his website same guy same state, city and everything Tennessee) So I call him out on his BS through Email and tell him to just return the record. He changed his tune soon after, as many VC'ers told me he would do. He just quit replying altogether and left me negative feedback. Ebay removed it later on and took the hold off my funds. What the scammer wanted to do was get this record for free. He wanted to use the insurance to pay 50$ and then get 50$ from me for the refund and he would've gotten a rare record for free. Some collectors are just dicks like that and I don't know how they live with themselves. Tell the guy you will pay to get it shipped back, I bet you he will meet you somewhere in the middle and just say, "screw it, it doesn't affect playability anyways" Hell judging from the photograph it has white marks that look like they can be rubbed off. Sometimes you gotta talk to these buyers like they are kids, give them a little alpha male and they'll quit toying around with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchard Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 No male with finger nails that long should be trusted. Duff, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, withengineheart and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vool Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 No male with finger nails that long should be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Sounds like he bought his first record Bingo. One Hundred Fifty-Two 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbyaaahxx Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 It looks like it was the edge that popped out the bottom of the sleeve. Probably just rubbed on the inside of the cardboard and what you see are carboard particles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psus2h Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Being realistic. It's not uncommon for this type of damage to happen to the sleeve , not sure about the chip. But regardless it's chipped now. Your best bet is to offer a discount w/ the understanding this will satisfy them. The other option is to tell him to fuck off, you get negative feedback. They file an A-Z claim with amazon, win, and now you're out the record, you have bad feed back, and you're out the cash too. You're best bet is not to ship over seas. It's too much of a pain in the neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefwahoo Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Amazon mailers aren't exactly the best way to ship a record. Especially re-using one to ship overseas. I don't think that damage is unrealistic under the circumstances. You can look at the feedback he has left for others to help determine if this is a game he plays or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchino Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 The record I sent him was mint. If I would ask him to send it back, I would lose about 35 USD in total (the initial shipping and return shipping, haha). I wouldnt be bothered with this at all, but what makes me sick to the stomach, is that I gave him a great deal to begin with (the record is actually worth three times that I asked). if he wants his money back, he's responsible for shipping the item back and all charges that come with it including tracking # Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psus2h Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 if he wants his money back, he's responsible for shipping the item back and all charges that come with it including tracking #Only if he simply doesn't want it anymore. IF it's damaged / defective the seller is responsible for the return shipping. You can put up all of these fights if you want but after selling on amazon for years it's not worth the fight. A-Z claims are tough to win. Offer a discount or cut your losses. Unfortunately it's the cost of doing business. If you got a damaged LP from HotTopic do you think they'd expect your to pay for return shipping? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemongoat Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I'd be willing to assume that Hot Topic wouldn't cover return shipping on an international order. And I can speak for selling on ebay, you can specify (it's actually default) that the buyer pays return shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefchino Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Only if he simply doesn't want it anymore. IF it's damaged / defective the seller is responsible for the return shipping. You can put up all of these fights if you want but after selling on amazon for years it's not worth the fight. A-Z claims are tough to win. Offer a discount or cut your losses. Unfortunately it's the cost of doing business. If you got a damaged LP from HotTopic do you think they'd expect your to pay for return shipping? No hence IF he wants His money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterrod Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Fuck this guy. This is bullshit and shit like this happens all the time with ebay. Minor cosmetic damage, split seams, corner dings happen when you ship a record for one part of the world to another, but douchebags like this one feel entitled to nothing short of perfection or they expect a discount/complete refund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konk Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I once sold a sealed picture disc in one of those sleeves with the sticker sealing the opening so I folded some cardstock and stuck them along the three sides I could access. Something to try next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shenanigans Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Tell him to return it. He should be responsible for the return shipping. Also I don't know about amazon, but threatening to leave bad feedback is against TOS. You can either leave it or not, but you can't threaten it to get someone to do something for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobfrombob Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Althought maybe he switched it from his collection already? Exactly what I thought. He already had the defective copy. If you make him return it, he will return his bad copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markok Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 Alright, the guy sent me some pictures of the damage yesterday again and this is the reason he wanted HALF or ALL of his money back: I think its easy to imagine how that damage got there. I offered him a 10 USD refund (the total with shipping was 49 USD), he was still justifying himself but agreed in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamalatapes Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Please report his name to the terrible buyers list. It doesn't even affect play! I have gone out of my way to buy chipped records before this isn't even a chip it's a brush and he could probably wipe it off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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