+hecollec+or Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 This board needs a strictly Taylor Swift thread. jhulud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noalarmplanet Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Went to sleep last night thinking that not much else would come of this. Just got home from work and caught up on this thread. My god, I love all of you. I would fight on the front line for you guys against the weiner army that is AP. Is it wrong that I read all your posts in Bob Sagets voice? for some reason I always add "kids..." at the start of it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noalarmplanet Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 This might be a response to my atrocious grammar and if it is, I love you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noalarmplanet Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 If VC is Taylor Swift in this fight, then AP is Avril Lavigne (someone who still thinks are punk rock well past the point anyone gave a shit). danionly and jhulud 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whose_thare Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Haha Dan is a friend of mine - that shit was hilarious. Still is. It really was. DH is a super under-rated songwriter btw. corey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 If VC is Taylor Swift in this fight, then AP is Avril Lavigne (someone who still thinks are punk rock well past the point anyone gave a shit). +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corey. Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 It really was. DH is a super under-rated songwriter btw. Absolutely! He's still putting music out, he just doesn't give a fuck if people hear it or not. It's great though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnstiles Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Happy the part about the déjà repress was included in his evaluation. corey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhulud Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 This board needs a strictly Taylor Swift thread. How's this? http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/80762-taylor-swift-red/?hl=%2Btaylor+%2Bswift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Family Friendly Rap God Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I'm so glad I no longer frequent this half assed website. VC has become like a second home and I wouldn't trade it for anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hecollec+or Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 How's this? http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/80762-taylor-swift-red/?hl=%2Btaylor+%2Bswift Not bad but I shoulda been more specific.... a Taylor Swift pic/gif thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock N Roll Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Just talked to a Broc without a K @ work.... nice guy. I have honestly never heard of a Brock without the K. Crazy talk right there. Is it wrong that I read all your posts in Bob Sagets voice? for some reason I always add "kids..." at the start of it too. Not wrong at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 really AP.net has the wrong impression of Vinyl Collective and Vinyl Collective has the wrong impression of AP.net I'm in the bowels of both sites what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewberinger Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 If VC is Taylor Swift in this fight, then AP is Avril Lavigne (someone who still thinks are punk rock well past the point anyone gave a shit). honestly no one on the staff thinks they're punk rock - I don't even listen to punk rock. I'm the ultimate poseur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos34 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Honestly, I used to love AP.net. Found alot of bands through them, but slowly stopped going there because of all the staff's "holier than thou" attitude. They can take their shitty advances and shove em up their ass for all I care. Also, the fact they promote some of the most HORRIBLE excuses for hip-hop/rap music. I know, its a "punk" site, but why the fuck they push bullshit bubblegum garbage like lil wayne and young thug instead of up and coming independent artists really grinds my gears. Page views I guess. Yeah, theyre real "punk". lolololol omg Jake Jenkinshttps://twitter.com/jakej654 Online User Info. VC doesn't seem to think there was only one post worth responding to. Honestly don't think I've ever seen a less self aware community damn stalkin me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 This might be a response to my atrocious grammar and if it is, I love you. One comma, man. Just one comma. The irony wasn't lost on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 damn stalkin meCopy n pastin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tape Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Not bad but I shoulda been more specific.... a Taylor Swift pic/gif thread I thought there was one, but I just searched and couldn't find one. Maybe I was thinking of a Hayley Williams pic thread? idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorSelf Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 lolololol omg damn stalkin me Now if you only put half as much effort in your reviews as you did this post... knifeparty, Hobbes and Shameful Dread 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshelfsquad Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 It has come to my attention that the average price of a record has gone up incrementally in the last two to three years. We have seen Hot Topic, Shop Radio Cast, Music on Vinyl and other companies buy the rights to albums to get them produced on vinyl for the first time or reissued. With this buying and selling of rights to music the price of the product has increased via these outlets. In an example look at the recent reissues of Blink 182's catalogue or the reissues of some of the early Mars Volta records. These records when they initially came out were much cheaper than they are now. Which leads me to say that vinyl is a craze. That is why the prices are going up. People that understand supply and demand have taken the artist out of the equation and bought up the rights to their music to make a profit. After all we do live in a capitalist society. I have a problem paying 31.99 for a record that can be manufactured for $12.25. I just do. I know that barely any of that ~200% profit is going to the artists that actually make the music. I understand that a record is something tangible and I do have to pay a premium for that at this point in time but where do we draw the line? The numbers do not lie. There are many vinyl pressing plants located in the United States that have specials on vinyl production. But lets not even look at the specials. Lets max out the possible amount of money one company can spend on getting something pressed. Keep in mind these are big companies with a lot of money to spend and a lot of money to gain. After all we are still buying the releases aren't we? For the example I am using I am going through United Record Pressing, a plant in Nashville Tennessee that presses most, if not all of Jack White's crazy releases. I am on their 12" record cost calculator. The first thing I do is change from a single LP option to 2XLP option, then I change the amount of records from 500 to 1500, lets be realistic, if a business can't sell 1500 units of something it isn't worth their initial investment. We increase the number to 1500 units, and I am changing the weight of the record from standard vinyl to 180 gram audiophile vinyl. I change the option from sending in a CD to emailing in WAV files, because a click is simpler than mailing a CD and we want a higher quality mix don't we? The next step I complete is the colored vinyl portion, everyone loves colored vinyl so it has to be colored, all 1500 on a custom color because if it isn't unique we won't buy it. Then we go to the labels, we don't want one plain color label, we want the upgrade. 2 colors. Now most people who press records might get their own jackets but since we're a big business and we want a one stop shop we're going to get our jackets from URpressing too. PREMIUM gatefold jackets. We are going to have the nice people at URpressing insert the records into our jackets and also offer a digital download and have them shrink-wrap our release. Now the total cost for the business is 17,355.00 without shipping. Let's be super generous and add 1000$ for shipping. So we're at 18,355.00 for 1500 records. That's 12.24 per 2XLP set. How do we justify the markup to 31.99? I can see purchasing this record with all the premium upgrades for 24.99 because lets be honest. There are a lot of upgrades most that are not even used in current represses. Those Hot Topic Blink 182 records are not 180 gram vinyl so let's subtract the 2980.00 Brings the price per unit with shipping down to 10.25 a 2XLP set. But wait, we aren't getting digital downloads and they don't have to put the digital downloads into the sleeves either, let's remove that 490.00 and that gets us down to 9.92 per 2xLP. Oh my God! You're telling me these blink 182 reissues are not 2xLPs? My bad! Let's reduce it down to 1xLP and see the cost. Wow! That brings our cost down to 7.31. But they are charging 19.99 for these in the store. Normal retail survives by marking things up 100% So let's do the normal retail thing and mark up our release 14.66. That seems like a VERY FAIR price for the album. Hell, I'd even go up to 17$ so they can recoup some of the expensive licensing costs. OMG How could I have forgotten, this particular press I was thinking about was actually 2700, not 1500. Let's change that. That brings our cost per album with the amazingly high quality jacket and the custom color down to 5.02 after shipping. They are selling this album at around 300% profit. At least with the new Jimmy Eat World Reissues it's a little more tolerable. Those records are 180 gram color vinyl with gatefold jackets and they are double LPs. The cost can't be determined because we do not know how many they are actually pressing. If they are pressing something like 3000 of each, which wouldn't be outside of the realm of thinking, it would cost around 9$ per 2xLP with all the PREMIUM UPGRADES. List price 31.99. Still around a 200% profit margin. Lets not forget, like all crazes we are taking something very cheap to produce and marking it up incredibly. Crazy bones, those were pieces of fucking plastic. Pokemon Cards, those we're pieces of cardboard with foil. Baseball cards just like Pokemon cards, some minus the foil. Vinyl records are just another craze. But I don't agree with Jason Tate. I don't feel okay paying 31.99 for an album. I feel okay paying 13-18$ and I can still do that with smaller labels like Red Scare, Asian Man, Dischord, Topshelf, and No Sleep (if I left you out I am sorry). I can still go to shows and pick up albums for 12$ from bands like Modern Baseball or The Hotelier. I can revel in the past when I bought 100$ worth of albums from Saddle Creek and I got a personal email from someone named Nate at the company thanking me for making such a big purchase. Or when my friend bought five or six albums from Red Scare and a special OOP surprise was included in her order. People are good at manufacturing rarity, rarity sells, that's why presses /100 or /300 sell out in a few hours. But people still buy the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 26th press of an album. So I hope the craze dies out, but I also hope that vinyl stays around. And just to let everyone know, when Shop Radio Cast or someone else represses Brand New's Deja Entendu /1500 on silver vinyl with a polaroid of Jesse's dick (hand numbered by Adam Lazarra (just playing dude)) I will still buy it for 100$. I'm just like everyone else that is feeding the craze. There are viable ways to keep cost of records down. I don't want fancy bullshit. I want a black 120-180 gram record that was mastered by someone who owns a fucking turntable. http://wordsturnstyles.tumblr.com DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TIME!!! Like and appreciate where your head's at, but you are only looking at material costs. To properly release a record I have to pay for manufacturing costs PLUS an artist/designer, a producer/engineer, marketing/advertising, a PR person, a radio team, mastering, shipping materials, employees, and the artist themselves — not to mention that services like limited run/big cartel and haulix which we use to process orders and service the record to press cost money. None of the labels you love are making a killing. None of them. Your jaw would drop if you saw my tax returns for the last three years. So, though I hold no ill will or grudge against you at all, this kind of thinking comes off to me as entitled, presumptuous and inconsiderate of how much goes into making something sustainable that you're proud of. Also, I usually disagree with anything Jason Tate has to say (this piece included). Dude is well-intentioned but just straight up doesn't get it IMO. It's like he wants Absolutepunk to be Mashable and you just can't look at this niche through that kind of scope. SMH all the dang time. adam19, hobbledehoy_rec, corey. and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos34 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Now if you only put half as much effort in your reviews as you did this post... is this forum's go-to response always a personal insult? genuinely curious, seeing a lot of that around here. nothnks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 is this forum's go-to response always a personal insult? genuinely curious, seeing a lot of that around here. TOUCHY TOUCHY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophos34 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 TOUCHY TOUCHY i read that in zoidberg voice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnstiles Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Yo! Topshelf! I was talking strictly represses where everything else has already been shelled out for. I understand how much goes into making a record as far as recording; engineering, promotion etc. I was talking about reissues. Not back peddling, just saying I'm more aware than people think I am. topshelfsquad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshelfsquad Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Yo! Topshelf! I was talking strictly represses where everything else has already been shelled out for. I understand how much goes into making a record as far as recording; engineering, promotion etc. I was talking about reissues. Not back peddling, just saying I'm more aware than people think I am. word. respect. nothnks and Ghost_Parlour* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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