abovetheearth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I want this descriptiveness of albums you pass on. be interested to see what stirs up from the depths of gumbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I can't get any of my friends into post-rock, really. And I'm like "HOW DO YOU NOT FUCKING GUSH OVER THIS STUFF, FOR FUCK'S SAKE?!?" Can't speak for everyone, but most of my friends who had similar tastes in high school just couldn't make the jump to the lack of the lyrics. I've been told that post-rock (and all variations of it, including post-metal) is just a snooze-fest. Or no more enticing than a soundtrack without a movie. "No lyrics, no deal" was the mentality of many of my friends in our late-teens, unfortunately. The few who I have managed to convert still listen to the genre today, and find great enjoyment in what it has to offer. I get that it's not for everyone, but there's so much good stuff out there that gets combed right over because it doesn't have a chorus that's instantly recognizable and catered to sing along to. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omik11303 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Can't speak for everyone, but most of my friends who had similar tastes in high school just couldn't make the jump to the lack of the lyrics. I've been told that post-rock (and all variations of it, including post-metal) is just a snooze-fest. Or no more enticing than a soundtrack without a movie. "No lyrics, no deal" was the mentality of many of my friends in our late-teens, unfortunately. The few who I have managed to convert still listen to the genre today, and find great enjoyment in what it has to offer. I get that it's not for everyone, but there's so much good stuff out there that gets combed right over because it doesn't have a chorus that's instantly recognizable and catered to sing along to. Oh well.I was going to respond directly to Gumbo, but you beat me to it and basically said everything I would've said.I remember during that best album A to Z exercise we did last year that F#A# Infinity won the 'F' category and a couple users genuinely just couldn't seem to grasp that an album without vocals could win best music anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 it was all Garth brooks and Alan Jackson out here. I can't even imagine bringing a post rock album for a road trip or social gathering. I've been around enough line dancing and two stepping to know that even driving a Hyundai would get my ass beat. drds89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcha Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 a couple users genuinely just couldn't seem to grasp that an album without vocals could win best music anything. fucking dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I was going to respond directly to Gumbo, but you beat me to it and basically said everything I would've said. I remember during that best album A to Z exercise we did last year that F#A# Infinity won the 'F' category and a couple users genuinely just couldn't seem to grasp that an album without vocals could win best music anything. fucking dumb Yeah, I recall that as well. It was pretty bad. [edit] Nostalgia got the best of me. The madness starts here for anyone who's interested in reading a juicy VC debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcha Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Yeah, I recall that as well. It was pretty bad. [edit] Nostalgia got the best of me. The madness starts here for anyone who's interested in reading a juicy VC debate. Haha, music is supposed to have lyrics. What in the actual fuck kind of statement is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Haha, music is supposed to have lyrics. What in the actual fuck kind of statement is that? No, right, exactly: music is supposed to have lyrics. Noise is just whatever else falls on the wayside. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abovetheearth Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 damn. that was a good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omik11303 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 That Bert GIF though. Literally just burst out laughing. Pretty sure I did the same thing when I saw it all those months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumbo72203 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I want this descriptiveness of albums you pass on. be interested to see what stirs up from the depths of gumbo. haha i'll go back through that Doomina link then and see what happens. Can't speak for everyone, but most of my friends who had similar tastes in high school just couldn't make the jump to the lack of the lyrics. I've been told that post-rock (and all variations of it, including post-metal) is just a snooze-fest. Or no more enticing than a soundtrack without a movie. "No lyrics, no deal" was the mentality of many of my friends in our late-teens, unfortunately. The few who I have managed to convert still listen to the genre today, and find great enjoyment in what it has to offer. I get that it's not for everyone, but there's so much good stuff out there that gets combed right over because it doesn't have a chorus that's instantly recognizable and catered to sing along to. Oh well. Yeah that's what my one buddy says all the time, in addition to claiming that all post-rock sounds the same. This coming from a dude who likes death metal, which is probably the genre most often derided as sounding the same. But yeah, the whole no vocals thing is what gets him, because there's nothing to focus on. But to me, with post-rock, the INSTRUMENTS are THE VOICE. The MUSIC is speaking. fucking dumb Honestly, besides a few brilliant spots, that album really doesn't jive with me. Pretty much everything else they've done I fucking love, but that album... on the whole, I just can't get excited about yet. Its weird. That band is SO FUCKING GOOD though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcha Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Gumbo, YOU are THE VOICE of post rock. drds89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrewest Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Gumbo, YOU are THE VOICE of post rock. Hahaha. For real though, Gumbo's simply stated message is right on. The lack of vocals is the single best part of the genre. I appreiciate great instrumentation more than vocals (with some exceptions). Too many times good bands are hindered by vocalists I can't stomach. That's what really drew me into post-rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumbo72203 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Gumbo, YOU are THE VOICE of post rock. I mean, I think so, but...apparently not, because Caspian still isn't dropping 18-minute Sad Heart Of Mine's, or doing doing extended takes on Quovis -> Some Are White Light -> Further Up -> Loft -> Some Are White Light -> Further In -> Procellous, or Gone In Bloom and Bough -> The Raven -> Gone In Bloom and Bough. Could you imagine? :::drools::: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrewest Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 I mean, I think so, but...apparently not, because Caspian still isn't dropping 18-minute Sad Heart Of Mine's, or doing doing extended takes on Quovis -> Some Are White Light -> Further Up -> Loft -> Some Are White Light -> Further In -> Procellous, or Gone In Bloom and Bough -> The Raven -> Gone In Bloom and Bough. Could you imagine? :::drools::: Matt? We need you again hahahaha. Sad Heart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 No, right, exactly: music is supposed to have lyrics. Noise is just whatever else falls on the wayside. Or something. I just listen to audiobooks. Instruments of any kind are noise and detract from my emotional response to the words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcha Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I mean, I think so, but...apparently not, because Caspian still isn't dropping 18-minute Sad Heart Of Mine's, or doing doing extended takes on Quovis -> Some Are White Light -> Further Up -> Loft -> Some Are White Light -> Further In -> Procellous, or Gone In Bloom and Bough -> The Raven -> Gone In Bloom and Bough. Could you imagine? :::drools::: Gumbo...my sweet Gumbo.. I love you dude, but don't fuck with the greatness that is Caspian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drds89 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Matt? We need you again hahahaha. The Butcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Heart Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 *shels - Plains of the Purple Buffalo is getting a repress. Started a thread for it: http://boards.vinylcollective.com/topic/117591-po-shels-plains-of-the-purple-buffalo-2xlp-purple-3rd-pressing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Heart Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Matt? We need you again hahahaha. I mean, I think so, but...apparently not, because Caspian still isn't dropping 18-minute Sad Heart Of Mine's, or doing doing extended takes on Quovis -> Some Are White Light -> Further Up -> Loft -> Some Are White Light -> Further In -> Procellous, or Gone In Bloom and Bough -> The Raven -> Gone In Bloom and Bough. Could you imagine? :::drools::: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I loved the quarreling you guys had regarding extended Caspian jams / Phish / whatever, a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Heart Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I loved the quarreling you guys had regarding extended Caspian jams / Phish / whatever, a while ago. Dude, I'm still angry about that. Nothing grinds my gears more than BAD band comparisons, and to have done it with my favorite band and a band that has NOTHING to do with them. Oh, man, ... the anger. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek™ Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Such an appropriate GIF you picked, for that reason alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Heart Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 YOU DO NOT FUCK WITH A CASPIAN SONG OR SET LIST. EVER. The only right order is what Caspian decides. That is it. You don't mess with perfection. 18 minutes for Sad Heart? Why? That song is 4:27 long. Where the hell did you get another 14 minutes? Oh, I got ya, they are playing it 4 times in a row for some odd reason. Sorry, that's my bad. Whoa. Whoa now. Why are we taking the intro track of You Are The Conductor to have it be the interlude to for the opening track of The Four Trees? That's sacrilege. It has to be a mistake. I know you didn't just say you wanted them to play Further Up and then Loft. No. No no no. I can't think of a proper analogy for this because my head might explode. But then only later to have them play Further In? Oh geez. How many things can we have wrong going on here. And you want them all to be extended? You want to extend each part of essentially a three part song, and then break them up? No. Quovis > Further Up > Further In in their original length. That's it. The Raven into Gone In Bloom And Bough?! You don't fuck with the Holy Trinity, man, you just don't. Maybe you don't know the beauty that is the Holy Trinity. I don't know why you wouldn't though. Only Caspian knows how to play any of three out of order and it make sense. Please, don't. Lastly, that set list is completely wrong since you didn't make it 3 hours long. Oh, wait, never mind, I forgot you made all the songs 18 minutes. There were honestly so many things wrong with that setlist that I had to go back and keep checking cause I couldn't believe the sins that were being committed. I did legitimately lose track, and had to go back. Each time I did I noticed a new "holy fuck" moment. It was like a waking nightmare. Here is an example of a beautiful Caspian set list: 1. Waking Season 2. Arcs of Command 3. The Raven 4. The Heart That Fed 5. Gone In Bloom and Bough 6. ASA7. Halls Of The Summer 8. Ghost Of The Garden City 9. Quovis 10. Further Up 11. Further In 12. Sycamore Listen to it here: https://open.spotify.com/user/matt_photographs/playlist/7kqND8qg2g9dPLEsv7FlLa (Disclaimer: It's only 1hr. 17m. as it is intended. And that's with the extended live version of Sycamore.) drds89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrewest Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Here is an example of a beautiful Caspian set list: 1. Waking Season 2. Arcs of Command 3. The Raven 4. The Heart That Fed 5. Gone In Bloom and Bough 6. ASA 7. Halls Of The Summer 8. Ghost Of The Garden City 9. Quovis 10. Further Up 11. Further In 12. Sycamore My God, that setlist is NSFW. So incredible. I'd say throw in Fire Made Flesh after Ghosts for a main set closer, and then the "encore" can be the rest. That would be my ONLY addition, only because FMF is probably top 3 Caspian song live for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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