tsostarich Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Just listened to Zero on my copy and there's really nothing wrong with it on my copy. I guess I got lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergeantscruffy Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 "Zero" has a bit of distortion on my copy, but in the grand scheme of things, is still very listenable. I have many other records that sounds much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukonojadul Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 just received shipping confirmation from .ca. let's wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degenerex Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 DHL attempted to deliver this at 6:20 PM to a business, so I wasn't there. Monday it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightyseancore Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 finally listened to mcp's rips. that would depress the hell out of me if i payed full price for one of these only to hear this. esp. considering jellybelly is one of the best songs on the album. crapforgenius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyfranciosa Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 got mine from .ca today. got some definite inner groove distortion close to the end of Zero, but otherwise sounds good. if they offer a replacement, I'll definitely take them up on it, but I'm not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 don't think we need everyone's tracking information, amirite? youspinmeround 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxonviolons Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 don't think we need everyone's tracking information, amirite? Honestly who gives a shit. People are excited about this! It's a nice set, and there's been a lot going on about it. When a thread is chugging at 65 pages long, it takes on a personality of its own. As far as the VINYL, it seems like good presses and bad presses are a luck of the draw, regardless if it's a .ca or .com purchase. I'm crossing my fingers for a good one! Will be spinning this tomorrow! feralpanda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crapforgenius Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 esp. considering jellybelly is one of the best songs on the album. Truth. I've always wished it had been the first single like Billy wanted it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan4ever80 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 For the sake of beating a dead horse, I got my copy yesterday from .ca and "Zero" sounds atrocious. I haven't listened to anything after "Zero", but the beginning of that side of the record sounds fantastic. It actually prompted me to check my cartridge alignment, and it turns out my cartridge was slightly off. So that's a plus. Unfortunately improving the alignment may have made "Zero" sound worse - if possible. On the bright side the rest of the record sounds even better than my first listen through. feralpanda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crapforgenius Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 So I have to say that after spending some time with the reissue - the first serious time I've spent with the album in many years - I may have been giving it the short end of the stick all this time. There's still some dreck that hasn't aged well, but there's also many gems that I let get overshadowed by what I didn't like. Song for song I still think 'Aeroplane' is stronger, but I was pleasantly surprised by my listening experience in terms of the songs themselves. So in that regards, reissue success! (That said, I still can't see myself committing to listening to the entire thing all too terribly often.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidamnesiac Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Just got in to Los Angeles last night. Moving from Idaho. My copy was here and I was so excited that I had to pull my receiver and turntable out of the U-Haul to check it out. Unfortunately I am experiencing the crazy sibilance on Billy's vocal at the very end of Zero like many have described. Headed to Pennsylvania on Thursday for Christmas and when I get back, I plan on checking my cartridge alignment and trying again. There were also some problems near the end of Galapogos, but not nearly as bad as Zero. Overall, the packaging and the sound are incredible. It's unfortunate for something that appears to have a lot of thought and effort put in to it to have problems like this. To the person that requested the EU press from Amazon.ca: how did that go down? Did they accommodate you and and did you get a good-sounding copy with more dead wax near the center labels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 This issue cannot simply be a cartridge alignment issue. That's BS. The problem is maxing the levels in the cutting process. Its so goddamn stupid and unnecessary. They made a bad choice in Stan Getz for this one. The funny thing is that SD and Gish seem to not have any of these types of problems but on the big Kahuna they decide to get dicey and flirt whorey with the red zone and the dead wax at the same time. Recipe for disaster. The first half of most of the discs are great albeit unnecessarily loud but it works. Once you cross the halfway point on all of them it gets progressively more clipped. The only thing that saves most of the sides from getting terrible is the occurrence of quiter dynamic songs falling on those regions close to the inner grooves and dead wax but even on most the songs that sound good on the inside, the vocals are mixed high enough to produce crazy amounts of silibance. The soft clean guitars are ringing nicely but the vocals are turning red. I know that any record is going to begin losing fidelity as you get closer to the label but this is the most intense and immediate flip I've ever heard on that process. The person cutting should have erred on the side of caution rather than max it for loudness. shamrocks and feralpanda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sh_tluck Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Got this today, only listened to the first and second side but all the songs sound great except zero, which is just really horrific for the latter half of the song, it was just all noise. That being said, the box is amazing, especially the lyric book and the personal note book. I'm just so happy to hear these songs on my stereo that I wont even bother with the hassle of exchanging it or some other option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustin415 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I have no idea what the release schedule for all these reissues is like, but I want Adore. donttchange and throwgncpr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youspinmeround Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 I want both machina and see what happens with aeroplane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightyseancore Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I want both machina and see what happens with aeroplane a lot of aeroplane wound up on the bonus discs of the CD box. it makes me wonder if they're really going to do it. then again, quite a few tracks from PI were on the siamese dream bonus disc, so i dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrocks Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 This issue cannot simply be a cartridge alignment issue. That's BS. The problem is maxing the levels in the cutting process. Its so goddamn stupid and unnecessary. They made a bad choice in Stan Getz for this one. The funny thing is that SD and Gish seem to not have any of these types of problems but on the big Kahuna they decide to get dicey and flirt whorey with the red zone and the dead wax at the same time. Recipe for disaster. The first half of most of the discs are great albeit unnecessarily loud but it works. Once you cross the halfway point on all of them it gets progressively more clipped. The only thing that saves most of the sides from getting terrible is the occurrence of quiter dynamic songs falling on those regions close to the inner grooves and dead wax but even on most the songs that sound good on the inside, the vocals are mixed high enough to produce crazy amounts of silibance. The soft clean guitars are ringing nicely but the vocals are turning red. I know that any record is going to begin losing fidelity as you get closer to the label but this is the most intense and immediate flip I've ever heard on that process. The person cutting should have erred on the side of caution rather than max it for loudness. exactly my thoughts. the no dead wax problem is compounded by the mixing and mastering. i think the music on zero sounds fine but the vocals are all distortion feralpanda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crapforgenius Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 a lot of aeroplane wound up on the bonus discs of the CD box. it makes me wonder if they're really going to do it. then again, quite a few tracks from PI were on the siamese dream bonus disc, so i dunno. Billy's mentioned working on bonus material for 'Aeroplane' more than once, so I'd imagine it'll be next. It's probably going to be another incredibly overpriced massive set like 'Mellon Collie', but that's to be expected I suppose. I wonder if there will be a 5xLP set with packaging similar to the 'Mellon Collie' set. (And then another Amazon.ca price eff up so I can justify purchasing it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lateralundertow Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I spotted 2 different Mellon Collie box sets while I was out this weekend. If I had the extra money I would have bought one, priced 89 and 99 respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamoney Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 My amazon.ca order was shipped with just the label stuck on to the shrink-wrap, no box. The set is trashed. Luckily my replacement is coming from .com and will be here tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcpherson123 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 So my girlfriend just gave me this for my birthday and she doesn't listen to vinyl and has no expertise in audio in any way and she picked up on the terribleness in Zero IMMEDIATELY. She even went as far as to say it started in Jellybelly. Chic is a whiz. I never even told her ahead of time that there might be an issue. After she said something about it I gave her a crash course in input gain audio, the loudness war and Mr. Stan Getz' lacquer cutting ethic and she's been cursing his name and talking some serious shit about him. It's been cracking me up. I wish she would let me video her saying this shit 'cause you guys would be eating that shit up. So if even a chic who is familiar with the cd and has no other thoughts about high fidelity audio says some shit, you know it's for real. I think we should all push for recut replacements not another copy of the shit job Getz did. A recut with the levels lowered and closer grooves. This same quantity of minutes per side can sound beautiful if cut correctly. This is such a fuck up its not even funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjb2k1 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 this is back up on hot topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Really wish I didn't miss out on the amazon.ca sale. I hope this lasts until Hot cash or some other crazy promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 So my girlfriend just gave me this for my birthday and she doesn't listen to vinyl and has no expertise in audio in any way and she picked up on the terribleness in Zero IMMEDIATELY. She even went as far as to say it started in Jellybelly. Chic is a whiz. I never even told her ahead of time that there might be an issue. After she said something about it I gave her a crash course in input gain audio, the loudness war and Mr. Stan Getz' lacquer cutting ethic and she's been cursing his name and talking some serious shit about him. It's been cracking me up. I wish she would let me video her saying this shit 'cause you guys would be eating that shit up. So if even a chic who is familiar with the cd and has no other thoughts about high fidelity audio says some shit, you know it's for real. I think we should all push for recut replacements not another copy of the shit job Getz did. A recut with the levels lowered and closer grooves. This same quantity of minutes per side can sound beautiful if cut correctly. This is such a fuck up its not even funny. Wow dude. Wife her now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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