SpazzyMcGee Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 This guy knows what's up. Really liked his analysis. Franchises will be just that, similar situations but building on what's been established. I really appreciate the film work in this movie too, Kylo's face in the light/dark during the gantry scene specifically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breezus Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Stuckmann is the man. Funny how Empire Strikes Back was criticized for being "too similar" to A New Hope. It's also crazy that it's the least successful movie of the entire franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 Yeah, I really enjoyed his previous in-depth analyses, and while this one started out a bit weak, I think he touched on most of the important points. I especially appreciated the fact that he pointed out how people (both professional reviewers and average moviegoers) fail to acknowledge the technical and artistic aspects of a movie, though I don't agree with what he mentioned as the primary focus of those reviews, because in my opinion by far the most discussed aspect of a movie isn't the visual information, as he put it, but actually the story, more specifically the plot development. Either way, the fact that things like cinematography, direction, editing, the many different aspects of actors' performances etc. are always left out of the conversation really bums me out. I understand that it's way easier for us to judge "stories" than all those other attributes because we, in our daily life, have way more experience with "stories", but still, movie enthusiasts and, more importantly, actual reviewers have the mileage behind them to know and do better. I also wish he talked a bit more about the fact that the familiar "general outline" of the story is actually much less of a focus but rather a backdrop in this film and that the real narrative is really quite, not unique, but definitely different for this franchise and much more detailed emotionally, however it is not told via the event-guided narration but through character interaction and expression, so it's a bit more subtle than usually. But he may have talked about it in more detail and I'm simply forgetting it, I just got back from the Hateful Eight so that youtube vid isn't the freshest thing in my memory right now. Breezus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbobrando Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Finally got to see this last night. When my fiancee and I were out of the theater and into the car, I told her "Well I guess the Dark Side skips a generation for the Skywalkers, eh? Eh?????" She did not find it as funny as I did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpazzyMcGee Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 thought this was an interesting quote from J.J.“And yes, they destroy a weapon at the end of this movie, but then something else happens which is, I think, far more critical and far more important — and in fact even in that moment, when that is happening, the thing I think the audience is focused on and cares more about is not, ‘Is that big planet gonna blow up?’ — ‘cause we all know it’s gonna blow up. What you really care about is what’s gonna happen in the forest between these two characters who are now alone.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Kinda playing devils advocate but if no one cares about the weapon storyline, why write it in there? They could have easily set up that same scene with Rey and Kylo in a different manner (if that was the whole point of it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I'm sure most of you have seen this or the idiotic huffington post article that inspired it, but it's worth a look. https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Kinda playing devils advocate but if no one cares about the weapon storyline, why write it in there? They could have easily set up that same scene with Rey and Kylo in a different manner (if that was the whole point of it). i'm sure if it wasn't destroyed, the next movie would be very different. having not seen the next movie yet, it seems too early to ask. Though, people tend to forget or not realize that Han and crew were already heading toward the ship when he realized the x-wing pilots didn't have a chance unless they acted. Without Han and Chewie planting those explosives, the weapon wouldn't have been destroyed. The Resistance's plan was a weak and desperate one, and they knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbobrando Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I'm sure most of you have seen this or the idiotic huffington post article that inspired it, but it's worth a look. https://www.facebook.com/notes/matty-granger/at-long-lastmy-star-wars-episode-vii-review-the-force-awakens-the-rise-of-idiot-/10153163095086277 I got done reading this earlier today. Question 16 from the HuffPost article blew my mind and Matt does a good job echoing my thoughts. Had the HP writer never seen A New Hope? If we were led to believe all the Stormtroopers had died on the Death Star and only Vader and the Emperor were left alive, then it would have started and ended with ANH. I can go all day pointing out the sheer idiocy of the HP article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebiglebowski Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 i'm sure if it wasn't destroyed, the next movie would be very different. having not seen the next movie yet, it seems too early to ask. Though, people tend to forget or not realize that Han and crew were already heading toward the ship when he realized the x-wing pilots didn't have a chance unless they acted. Without Han and Chewie planting those explosives, the weapon wouldn't have been destroyed. The Resistance's plan was a weak and desperate one, and they knew it. I was more thinking "then why even put another Death Star in the movie" when I read JJ's quote. obviously it's needed to create some of the situations the characters are put in but I think you still could have told basically the same Rey/Kylo story without it (and had more screen time to devote to it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The first order blew up the whole senate which was a bunch of planets. I think that might drive a future storyline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No This Is Patrick Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I'd also recommend watching the actual Bad Lip Sync videos for ANH, ESB, and ROTJ... but this is so catchy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psus2h Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 SPOILER, but I'll be a bit vague. A fascinating piece of cinematography, when Kylo is facing his adversary on the skywalk, the lighting on his face is red on the right side (dark side) and blue on the left (light side). It's almost perfectly half and half. After he finished what he must do, there is a scream from up above and behind two characters the sun vanishes. They show Kylo again and his face is now fully engulfed in red light. Also, I thought it was interesting to hear pieces of Battle of the Heroes was played into the music when the forest battle scene was going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breezus Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I noticed the red/blue light on Ren's face but I didn't know about the Battle of the Heroes. So many easter eggs in this one. On a sidenote, I'm not sure if I should see VII for the third time or go see the Revenant or the Hateful Eight and wait for the Blu Ray instead. I've never seen the same movie that many times in theaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dantheriver Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I noticed the red/blue light on Ren's face but I didn't know about the Battle of the Heroes. So many easter eggs in this one. On a sidenote, I'm not sure if I should see VII for the third time or go see the Revenant or the Hateful Eight and wait for the Blu Ray instead. I've never seen the same movie that many times in theaters. Both of those other movies are worth seeing on the big screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandy Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 C-3EMO ditc586 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psus2h Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 If you can see the Hateful Eight roadshow edition it's a neat experience. If you really want the full Tarentino experience and are in LA go see the Hateful Eight at the new Beverly cinema. It's the theater he owns and shows films he chooses. As for Battle of the Heroes. It's interesting that the last time we heard it was when a Kenobi fought a Skywalker..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NapalmBrain Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I woke up to a facebook post "I wonder if they are going to address the connection between Kylo Ren and Rilo Kiley next movie" as a music nerd I chuckled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breezus Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 If you can see the Hateful Eight roadshow edition it's a neat experience. If you really want the full Tarentino experience and are in LA go see the Hateful Eight at the new Beverly cinema. It's the theater he owns and shows films he chooses. As for Battle of the Heroes. It's interesting that the last time we heard it was when a Kenobi fought a Skywalker..... I'll only be able to get the "standard" experience. I'm not even sure if they'll do that intermission here. I dunno; I probably won't resist watching TFA again but maybe in a few weeks. It's still rather fresh in my mind. The Rey Kenobi theory is becoming more and more possible. I almost accepted her as Luke's daughter already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No This Is Patrick Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouTwo Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 That SNL skit made me laugh so hard. Especially the part with the "I'm sorry I killed your Son :-(" Card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 That SNL skit made me laugh so hard. Especially the part with the "I'm sorry I killed your Son :-(" Card. "I knew from, 'Hi, I'm Matt.'" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breezus Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 How can anybody hate the guy? Adam Driver is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Ep. VIII was pushed back to December 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecayToDeath Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Ep. VIII was pushed back to December 2017. That's a pretty significant push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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