allenh Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 If the receivers are AV ones, i.e they have more than 2 channels then avoid them for hifi use as that's not what they were made for and hifi would always be a compromise for them. Your idea of an integrated amp is always the best choice as this is what it's intended for and receivers having a tuner built in can induce noise that isn't present in something that's job is just to amplify an audio signal. Going vintage can be good and bad, there is a lot of very good and in its day very good vintage kit out there for not a lot of money but unless you know it's been very well looked after and is electronically in very good condition do not pay over the odds. I personally buy and try a lot of vintage kit but have the luxury of being able to repair and service most of it. Above all the golden rule is buy with your ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbruise Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 My local record shop has a pair of Sansui SP-4500A "nearly new in box" for $175. I'm pretty unfamiliar with these, but see the name thrown around a lot. Can anybody tell me if that's a good price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piky0032 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I have a technics 2.1 channel amp with a built in phono stage.....I feel with the debut carbon and 2M red im cheating myself out of sound qaulity by using the in built phono stage.......in saying that I have never really had anything to compare it to as no one else I know really gets into the hobby Will throwing a phono stage in make a world of difference? Im thinking about spending $150-300ish Also for somw reason im very attached to the amp....had it for years and its not the best but I dig it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Depends how old the amp is, in the heyday of vinyl the built in phono stage on most half decent amps would have been better than a lot of the average phono stage today, but as the need to add a phono stage waned the quality dropped accordingly. Technics held onto phono stages for longer than most for obvious reasons but how good they are in the later amps I don't know. The lower end Project phono stages I have heard I wasn't impressed with but this will depend on the amp the phono stage is feeding, if the amp is average an average phono will be more than fine but if the amp is a bit higher up the food chain then it will show up the phono amps deficiencies. This is always true in any chain of hifi of course, the system is as good as the weakest component. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 I felt like this thread needed a new title. Tardcore, The Saint, heypeterman and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piky0032 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I felt like this thread needed a new title. nice change...well played Depends how old the amp is, in the heyday of vinyl the built in phono stage on most half decent amps would have been better than a lot of the average phono stage today, but as the need to add a phono stage waned the quality dropped accordingly. Technics held onto phono stages for longer than most for obvious reasons but how good they are in the later amps I don't know. The lower end Project phono stages I have heard I wasn't impressed with but this will depend on the amp the phono stage is feeding, if the amp is average an average phono will be more than fine but if the amp is a bit higher up the food chain then it will show up the phono amps deficiencies. This is always true in any chain of hifi of course, the system is as good as the weakest component. yeh sweet, thanks for the info, will have a look into specifics and may grab a new phono box at some point to see how much a difference it will make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbruise Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 My local record shop has a pair of Sansui SP-4500A "nearly new in box" for $175. I'm pretty unfamiliar with these, but see the name thrown around a lot. Can anybody tell me if that's a good price?Just noticed I posted this in the wroooooong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradedOnACurve Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I felt like this thread needed a new title. I'd like this if I could! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Good title change !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbruise Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Oh shit, the title change made me lie. Thought it was the Crosley cruiser thread. Weed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc32137 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So my coworker is selling both his Technics 1200's and he's offering one to me for $400. Only been used a couple times and it's got a Shure M97xE cart on it. I don't think I can pass this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamalatapes Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So my coworker is selling both his Technics 1200's and he's offering one to me for $400. Only been used a couple times and it's got a Shure M97xE cart on it. I don't think I can pass this up. that's 1/4 the price! Good friend of yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodigitaljazz Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Well there's one essential thing missing: an amplifier. Can you stretch another $300? If not, ditch the Pioneers and buy some active sperakers, then you don't need an amp. Something like these: http://www.amazon.com/Audioengine-Premium-Powered-Desktop-Speakers/dp/B000VKEFN2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1388219610&sr=8-4&keywords=audioengine Why $300? There are surely options that cost less that still deliver value... I'd prefer passive speakers over active, but then again, we're talking money. Surely not $300 for just the amp though? (Speaking strictly from a budget, not thousands of dollars setup) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 If you're buying new, that's the minimum. Sure, there are amps and receivers that cost less, but the performance they offer is so sub-par, it defeats the purpose of buying a Pro-Ject table (in the case of the guy I was responding to) altogether. For a $150 receiver you might as well use a crosley, it wouldn't make much difference. Of course, there are many solid options under $300 on the second hand market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickcook19941 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 If you're buying new, that's the minimum. Sure, there are amps and receivers that cost less, but the performance they offer is so sub-par, it defeats the purpose of buying a Pro-Ject table (in the case of the guy I was responding to) altogether. For a $150 receiver you might as well use a crosley, it wouldn't make much difference. Of course, there are many solid options under $300 on the second hand market. slinch is a firm believer in the significance of quality receivers. to each their own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinch Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Actually, I'm a firm "believer" that receivers have no place in a music-oriented setup. I don't have to believe though, belief is for those who cannot experience first hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Actually, I'm a firm "believer" that receivers have no place in a music-oriented setup. I don't have to believe though, belief is for those who cannot experience first hand. Agreed on more than one level, putting a radio reception device in the same box as an amplifier makes it very difficult for that amplifier to reject the unwanted RF signals from the radio reception device. And receivers are generally multi speakers which are great for what they were intended for i.e the noises made in a film but sadly music is a secondary function for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodigitaljazz Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I don't have to believe though, belief is for those who cannot experience first hand. I like this guy. So my question, does it defeat the purpose of buying the budget listed options on the U Turn page along with the Orbit if all you've been listening to music on is the Devil's penis, the LP60? (Hey, I upgraded the stylus...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangsAnalSatan Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 slinch, Sugar Shane, parkinglot and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allenh Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 ^ that's insulting to sledge hammers kamalatapes and anthemforadoomed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbbrew22 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Love the title change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokimedo Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 this is probably a stupid question, but would this cartridge fit on my Technics SL-1210MK2? http://www.amazon.com/Technica-AT440MLA-Dual-Moving-Magnet-Cartridge/dp/B00009MK3A/ref=pd_rhf_ee_s_cp_5_RYP3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1H9A0CX6GTVVJSQ050H0 been looking for a good upgrade and i think i might have settled on that one. unless someone had a better suggestion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 i'll always swear by this one: http://www.amazon.com/Shure-M97xE-High-Performance-Magnetic-Cartridge/dp/B00006I5SB/ref=pd_cp_e_0 a lot of people aren't aware of shure's amazing warranty either. if you send in a broken cartridge or stylus within two years (with receipt) they'll replace it for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkinglot Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I really wish I had the money to buy at least a decent set up. Realistically, I can't see that happening until I'm through university which sucks. Anyways, props to slinch for such an in depth guide. I will definitely look to this if the day of purchasing an awesome set up ever comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isavedlatin54 Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I really wish I had the money to buy at least a decent set up. Realistically, I can't see that happening until I'm through university which sucks. Anyways, props to slinch for such an in depth guide. I will definitely look to this if the day of purchasing an awesome set up ever comes. I graduated from college (university) in 2008 and im still broke as shit. I pieced mine together very slowly. not that my set up is GREAT but its better than it used to be. the only thing i bought new were speakers and the TT itself. the receiver and tape deck were used. all in all im very happy with my set up considering i have very little disposable income. if you do it right and really search, you can build a good setup for very little cost. i think total, my set up right now cost me about 750...and my tape deck was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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