mxv Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I like them both. I'm excited for Monuments to an Elegy. People whingeing and commenting on their status' saying the old pumpkins are better need to move on and realize that only 25% of its original lineup is still there, and that bands change and evolve over time, even if their fans dont want them to. And both of these songs we've heard so far is still 1000x better than half the shit we hear on the radio these days... Excellent post! People can't make the same record over and over again forever, unless they are AC/DC or The Ramones but only the former is still at it, the latter can't because they all died. At first I used to be a little down on the fact that the modern Pumpkins is just Billy with new people except when I realized the fact that Billy pretty much wrote ALL the songs himself, or with some help from the old drummer so when I think about that it doesn't matter to me who is playing with him in the Smashing Pumpkins. I really liked Oceania a lot and thought it was as good as some of the records everyone thinks were the best ones. I haven't heard the first song they released from this forthcoming album but this latest one sounded good to me. I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that these songs beat out what's on the radio these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 After playing the two new songs while also enjoying the reissues, I've come to the conclusion that the new songs are just not singles. They're good songs that'll fit (hopefully) on a great cohesive album. That's exactly how I felt about Oceania, which I still think is a great record, I just don't get in the mood to listen to it all that often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azvd Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 The discussion around old SP vs. modern SP is overdone. It's not a matter of expecting him to surpass or replay his greatest era, but simply to come to terms that although he puts tons of energy and honesty into it, he hasn't being able to be as brilliant as he was supposed to be. ZG is weak, the Teargarden EPs are outrageous and Oceania is pleasant listen, And then you get the reissues and they just make my point even clearer. And no to say that Corgan doesn't deserve recognition: his better work since the old SP retired was TheFutureEmbrace, which BTW is the most significant departure from the sound he's being chasing for his new Smashing Pumpkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmoney Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Does anyone know if Zwan is (or has ever been mentioned) scheduled for reissue? I know he detests the music and the members (at least he did), but it's some of my favorite Corgan-related material, and was so much better live (in 2003) then when I saw the Pumpkins (in 2007), so I have some good memories attached. And the unreleased material? Man oh man - the stuff you hear on that DVD that came with Mary Star of the Sea was so promising. bungie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timsimmons Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 He did want to reissue it after the pumpkins albums are reissued. He also wanted to do his solo album and the Chicago Songs project too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I believe he said the warner stuff (zwan, TFE, zeitgeist) was going to start reverting to him in 2013 or 14 and those were next to get reissued after rotten apples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Does anyone know if Zwan is (or has ever been mentioned) scheduled for reissue? I know he detests the music and the members (at least he did), but it's some of my favorite Corgan-related material, and was so much better live (in 2003) then when I saw the Pumpkins (in 2007), so I have some good memories attached. And the unreleased material? Man oh man - the stuff you hear on that DVD that came with Mary Star of the Sea was so promising. The best was the pre-album version of Mary Star of the Sea - the one that didn't have Jesus, I attached to the front of it. Man, there were so many good songs out of that era. He also mentioned releasing the Stigmata soundtrack on vinyl during the campaign as well. I fucking love that score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwgncpr Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 He also mentioned releasing the Stigmata soundtrack on vinyl during the campaign as well. I fucking love that score. Holy fuck, I hope he makes that happen. The score is rad, but its also one of my favorite movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 New track - Tiberius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan8765 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 So damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 i really like it. the only thing that's racking my brain is how basic and unexciting the drums are. i don't listen to much motley crue (see: never) but i was under the impression that tommy lee was a pretty great (heavy) drummer. even mikey had some great moments on the records. hearing the drumming on the 3 new songs makes me miss jimmy more than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 i really like it. the only thing that's racking my brain is how basic and unexciting the drums are. i don't listen to much motley crue (see: never) but i was under the impression that tommy lee was a pretty great (heavy) drummer. even mikey had some great moments on the records. hearing the drumming on the 3 new songs makes me miss jimmy more than ever. No matter who's behind the drums, I will always miss Jimmy. bungie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 30 second clips of each song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vdfQpYllkY this album might be the most diverse pumpkins output in a long time. it also really feels like what could've been the missing link between adore and machina, or at the very least, a followup to adore. again, my only gripe is the tame drumming, but now that i'm seeing more similarities to adore (with walls of guitars) maybe the jimmy-style drumming won't be as missed. getting very excited but the clips really kinda feel all over the place and it's hard to judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamover Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 ^ also that means promotional copies are out there. A leak shouldn't be far behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm so fucking pumped for this record - and the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achillesstand7 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Anyone regretting ordering the tea + signed copy of the new album? I'd be willing to take that off your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidamnesiac Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Whoa. The electropop songs in those samples sound really great. I also really enjoyed Tiberius. Getting more and more excited for this album! Oceania was a step back in the right direction and MTAE is shaping up to be another big step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I've held off on listening to this completely. Need to check out the tracks so far when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beags Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Tiberius is incredible. Super high hopes for this album after listening to the samples. Absolutely baffles me the amount of hate thats still getting dished out on that facebook status... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl_ben Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Local record shop has a Free CD EP if you pre-order then LP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLpubeJ Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 picked up a few copies of Gish and Siamese Dream 2xLP represses. brand new, sealed copies. message me if interested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgPound1946 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Local record shop has a Free CD EP if you pre-order then LP. Wow, that's cool. Any details on tracklist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highfives Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Wow, that's cool. Any details on tracklist? It's just the first 3 singles - Being Beige, One and All, and Tiberius. http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com/#!Monuments-to-an-Elegy-Sampler-Available-Now-with-PreOrder-at-Indie-Record-Stores-/c7ba/37CBDA22-132A-4933-83F3-C86DF192358A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick6ten Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I'm going to be on vacation in LA when they are playing the free Jimmy Kimmel concert. I'm glued to the ticketing site, hoping to get some tickets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseydave77 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I scored tickets to the Webster Hall show - anyone else???? I haven't seen them live since I was in High School and they played Roseland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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