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Used to post on this board quite a while ago but have long since forgotten my username and my password.  Figured at least this time I won’t forget the username.

 

Anyway, this release and this band interest me a lot and I've seen a lot of people wondering about pressing info and discussing all the different variants etc so here’s the best info I can gather as of 13-17 hours after the US/UK releases first went up for sale (as I write this it's currently early-afternoon, 5/5/15; hopefully this won't take too long).  [EDIT: IT TOOK A REALLY LONG TIME.  Now that I've actually written this I'm kinda sick at myself for how much time I spent on this...time flies when you're researching and compiling record pressing stats and other such information on the internet, amirite?]

 

mewithoutYou - Pale Horses pressing info (feel free to correct me/add to this)

 

1. U.S.

Deluxe Editions

For sale here.

General info:

Four options; two LP color variants, each either autographed and hand-numbered or not.

Details: Two 12” 180 gram LPs + Custom Die-Cut Triple Gatefold + 2xCD with alternate artwork + 10”x10” 20-Page Lyric Booklet + Booklet of Postcards by Vasily Kafanov + 30” x 20” Double-Sided Poster.  Autographed versions come signed and hand-numbered.  Total deluxe edition LPs pressed: 4,000.

  • Audiophile Black: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Pressing: 500
  • Audiophile Black: Non-autographed.  Pressing: 1,500
  • Double Rainbow: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Pressing: 500
  • Double Rainbow: Non-autographed.  Pressing: 1,500

 

2. U.S.

Non-Deluxe

For sale here. (with the exception of the Hot Topic variant).

General info:

Four LP color variants.  Also available on CD, cassette and as a digital download.  Pressing information for CDs and cassettes currently unknown; may not have a specified amount made.  Total non-deluxe LPs pressed: 6,000.

  • Grimace Purple A-Side / Milky Clear B-Side 12" LP; Pressing: 500
  • Oxblood w/ Bone/Silver Splatter (Hot Topic Exclusive Color) 12" LP; Pressing: 1,000
  • Olive Green A-Side / Bone B-Side 12" LP; Pressing: 1,500
  • Bone w/ Aqua Splatter 12" LP; Pressing: 3,000
  • CD; Pressing: Unknown
  • Cassette; Pressing: Unknown
  • Digital Download

Total U.S. pressing of LPs only: 10,000.

Total U.S. LP color variants of Pale Horses: 6

Total U.S. versions of Pale Horses: 11

 

 

3. U.K./EU (Pt. 1 - Big Scary Monsters Recording Company)

For sale here.

General info:

Two LP color variants and a CD.  Non-deluxe.  All include a U.K./EU bonus track. (Bonus track appears on the US deluxe editions but not the US non-deluxe pressings.)  U.K./EU CD pressing currently unknown; may not have a specified amount made.  Total U.K./EU LPs released by BSM: 700.

  • Clear with cherry cola colour in colour and black splatter 12" LP; Pressing: 200
  • Black 12" LP; Pressing: 500
  • CD; Pressing: Unknown

 

4. U.K. (Pt. 2 - Banquet Records & confusion)

For sale here.

General info:

Two U.K. LP color variants not sold on the BSM site.  Also, a CD that is potentially different than the one on the BSM site and may be put out by Banquet Records, BSM, Run For Cover Records or some mix of the three labels.  Unclear whether the CD is any different than the other CD sold in the UK by BSM.  All non-deluxe.  All include a U.K./EU bonus track. (Bonus track appears on the US deluxe editions but not the US non-deluxe pressings.)  Potentially unique U.K. CD pressing currently unknown; may not have a specified amount made.  Banquet Records also sells a "Bone W/Aqua" LP variant but gives no pressing info for the LP - "Bone w/ Aqua Splatter" is the most commonly pressed variant of the LP and is sold by Run For Cover Records in the U.S., so I don't know if that version is any different from the Run For Cover Records version in the U.S. or not.  I want to say it's at least slightly different because the tracklisting on the side of the page includes a 12th track labeled UK/EU exclusive, but then the same page says "Label: Run For Cover / Big Scary Monsters."  They sell three versions of the release on their site and I have no idea which it's referring to...or what it even means.  Possibly that "/" symbolizes a collaboration between the two record companies to make a different U.K. release separate from the U.S. release?  Or maybe it means that one or more of the releases is strictly a BSM or Run For Cover release?  I'm also not sure why they don't mention themselves next to "Label:" - i.e. Banquet Records - since both their description and the BSM site say Banquet Records has at least one exclusive U.K. variant.  This is what I meant by confusion.  Also, I am realizing how irrelevant this is becoming.  Ugh.  I started off nicely at least.  Total  U.K. LPs released by Banquet Records: 300 + ???

  • Clear with blue & purple splatter (Banquet Records U.K. exclusive - also comes with an mp3 code) 12" LP; Pressing: 300
  • Bone W/Aqua (No pressing info, confusion about this release noted in above paragraph) 12" LP; Pressing: ???
  • CD (Potentially identical to the copy sold by BSM and therefore irrelevant; it could be different, I guess.) Pressing: Unknown/Potentially same as CD sold by BSM

 

Total U.K./EU pressing of LPs only: 1,000 + ???

Total U.K/EU LP color variants of Pale Horses: Either 3 or 4 (Fuck you, "Bone W/Aqua")

Total U.K./EU versions of Pale Horses: Either 4, 5 or 6 (Fuck you, "Bone W/Aqua" and vague U.K. CD or UK CDs plural)

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Total WORLDWIDE pressing of LPs only: 11,000 + ???

Total WORLDWIDE LP color variants of Pale Horses: Either 9 or 10

Total WORLDWIDE versions of Pale Horses: Either 15, 16 or 17

...that have been announced so far.

 

Damn the U.K. for not being clear about unimportant details regarding far-off releases from an American band.  I thought I'd do like 10-20 minutes of research max and have all the answers and make a nice, informative rundown on this album's release.  Then you gotta go and do this, and now look at the monstrous uncertainty in my final numbers.  Unforgivable.

 

No, but really, everyone else who is a variant collector or just wanted to know what the pressing info was since it wasn't super clear, I hope this helped.  This took so, so much longer than I intended it to.  I forget my login, continue to collect records but just lurk this board now and then and one day I make a comeback and it turns into this.  I think my new username sums it all up.

 

POSTSCRIPT!  Fun Facts!

  • As of 3:58PM scratch that, this shit took too long to write and now I have to do each one over.  As of 4:27PM Eastern, 5/5/15, this is the availability of the Deluxe Edition records:
    Audiophile Black: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Available copies: 15 0 - SOLD OUT
    Audiophile Black: Non-autographed.  Available copies: 1,470
    Double Rainbow: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Available copies: 0 - SOLD OUT
    Double Rainbow: Non-autographed. Available copies: 954
     
  • As of 4:29PM Eastern, 5/5/15, the only U.S., non-deluxe release of Pale Horses that has sold out is the Grimace Purple A-Side / Milky Clear B-Side variant of the 12" LP.  Everything else in "section 2" of this list is currently still available.  And you can still get the Purple/Clear variant if you want to pay $42.00 (including shipping, assuming you're in the U.S.) for the T-Shirt Package Bundle that also includes that variant of the vinyl plus a shirt and a poster.  All shirt sizes still available as well.  Side note; I wonder how many of the purple variants actually sold and how many are reserved for the T-Shirt Bundle?  Not all 500 sold or else the T-Shirt Bundles wouldn't still be available...and it sold out fairly quick, right?  Maybe they only let like 50 copies of the Purple vinyl be purchased on their own before they were "Sold Out" and had to be bought through the T-Shirt Bundle instead...nahh just kidding, Run For Cover Records is seriously legit, I expect those T-Shirt Bundles to start selling out before long.  Just something I always think about when the rarest variant sells out super quick and is then only available in bundles at double, triple, quadruple the cost or more.  FYI the bundle is less than double by about 5 bucks (after shipping) so it's not as bad as it often is, plus you get a shirt that's actually not hideous and a poster of the cover art which is also not bad at all, so kudos.
  • According to MWY's tweet late last night it doesn't seem like the CD version sold separately from the Deluxe Edition LPs is a "Deluxe Edition" CD - not sure if that means it just doesn't come with the booklet and postcards and poster etc or if it also means it lacks any extra tracks, does not contain different artwork etc...also, no clue what the cassette will come out looking like yet.
  • As of 4:31PM Eastern, 5/5/15, all U.K. variants and versions appear to still be in stock from both BSM and Banquet Records.
  • Speaking of which, this info might be useful to some: I bought the Clear with cherry cola colour in colour and black splatter UK variant of the record as well, limited to 200 copies; the record alone costs £14.99 GBP and they have a flat shipping rate of £6.00 to the U.S. so the total was £20.99 - I paid using PayPal and after the currency conversion and the fees PayPal tacks on for international transactions (about a dollar in this case) the total came to $32.71 USD, shipped from the U.K. to the U.S.  The other UK variant(s?) for sale on the Banquet Records site have the same item cost but their shipping, at least for a single LP, is a £7.00 to the US instead of £6.00...but I didn't get anything from them and only got as far as changing my location to "Rest of the world" without filling anything else in before giving up, so the price could have gotten higher later in the checkout as is often the case...you guys can figure that one out for yourselves.
     
  • Unrelated, but these guys are incredibly passionate live and very much worth going to see if you haven't already,  Then again it's been 9 years since I've seen them, but if they play even half the show they did then, it's worth seeing.

 

Welp, there was an afternoon at work well spent.  Happy Cinco de Mayo.  Time for a margarita or 11,000+...

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I didn't say NOBODY. Hell, your boys BTS are selling a single LP (standard weight?) for $20.

 

I gave two examples with the label that's actually releasing the record, what does BTS have to do with anything? The price isn't terrible, but it's definitely inflated a bit because of the band I guess.

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I gave two examples with the label that's actually releasing the record, what does BTS have to do with anything? The price isn't terrible, but it's definitely inflated a bit because of the band I guess.

Not gonna argue anymore bc I'm no longer even sure what we are arguing about.

But yes obviously there is a price hike bc it's mwY. RFC is charging $15 for single LPs lately, yet they are charging $18 for this. Doesn't take a doctor to realize that.

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Not gonna argue anymore bc I'm no longer even sure what we are arguing about.

But yes obviously there is a price hike bc it's mwY. RFC is charging $15 for single LPs lately, yet they are charging $18 for this. Doesn't take a doctor to realize that.

 

I wasn't arguing about anything really, glad to see you agree that there's a markup.

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Sorry man, didn't mean to point out that plenty of labels are charging more for records now than they did 5-10 years ago. I'm not trying to tell anyone that it's OK, I'm just being realistic that's all. When I find out there is going to be some special deluxe version of something I anticipate that it's going to cost extra, not be priced to match No Idea's prices.

 

It wasn't personal. I was just commenting on the state of things. And the fact that people tending to accept and pay the ridiculous prices is complicity and will only indicate to the greedy labels that they can continue to overcharge people. Again, not directing that at you. The $20 single LP is growing to be all too common and i admit that I have paid for some of them. There are cases when its justified like when there is a  conversion to a much stronger currency. I try really hard not to buy LP's at what I consider ridiculous prices. If its an option, I wait it out on certain titles to see if there will be a much cheaper amazon marketplace alternative. It panned out with C&C's IKSOSE:3 and I'm glad I only paid 24ppd on it because the silibance alone would have given me the greatest case of buyer's remorse at $40+.

 

So, my acerbic tone was not geared toward you. It was just a general expression of disgust for the state of things. I don't think that the deluxe version of this at $50 is a terrible price as I've stated. There's a lot of content in the package. I just hate to see people so easily accepting of the pricepoints which are just inching daily toward a level of inflation that I personally couldn't justify spending on especially when the contents are nothing more than a 2XLP in the $35 to $50 range on domestic (most commonly major label) releases.

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I wasn't arguing about anything really, glad to see you agree that there's a markup.

 

The markup in price from $15-$18 is solely because this is an incredibly expensive release to produce. The standard LP has tip-on jackets, 16pg booklet, diecut insert, etc. In fact, these SHOULD be more than $18 and we talked about making them $20 at length and decided against it. Obviously the deluxe costs significantly more to make as its even more intricate. 

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The markup in price from $15-$18 is solely because this is an incredibly expensive release to produce. The standard LP has tip-on jackets, 16pg booklet, diecut insert, etc. In fact, these SHOULD be more than $18 and we talked about making them $20 at length and decided against it. Obviously the deluxe costs significantly more. 

 

Awesome, thank you for the explanation

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The markup in price from $15-$18 is solely because this is an incredibly expensive release to produce. The standard LP has tip-on jackets, 16pg booklet, diecut insert, etc. In fact, these SHOULD be more than $18 and we talked about making them $20 at length and decided against it. Obviously the deluxe costs significantly more. 

 

I wasn't complaining about the single LP being $18 but I'm super stoked you went with tip-on jackets, gonna be a great looking package.

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Used to post on this board quite a while ago but have long since forgotten my username and my password.  Figured at least this time I won’t forget the username.

 

Anyway, this release and this band interest me a lot and I've seen a lot of people wondering about pressing info and discussing all the different variants etc so here’s the best info I can gather as of 13-17 hours after the US/UK releases first went up for sale (as I write this it's currently early-afternoon, 5/5/15; hopefully this won't take too long).  [EDIT: IT TOOK A REALLY LONG TIME.  Now that I've actually written this I'm kinda sick at myself for how much time I spent on this...time flies when you're researching and compiling record pressing stats and other such information on the internet, amirite?]

 

mewithoutYou - Pale Horses pressing info (feel free to correct me/add to this)

 

1. U.S.

Deluxe Editions

For sale here.

General info:

Four options; two LP color variants, each either autographed and hand-numbered or not.

Details: Two 12” 180 gram LPs + Custom Die-Cut Triple Gatefold + 2xCD with alternate artwork + 10”x10” 20-Page Lyric Booklet + Booklet of Postcards by Vasily Kafanov + 30” x 20” Double-Sided Poster.  Autographed versions come signed and hand-numbered.  Total deluxe edition LPs pressed: 4,000.

  • Audiophile Black: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Pressing: 500
  • Audiophile Black: Non-autographed.  Pressing: 1,500
  • Double Rainbow: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Pressing: 500
  • Double Rainbow: Non-autographed.  Pressing: 1,500

 

2. U.S.

Non-Deluxe

For sale here. (with the exception of the Hot Topic variant).

General info:

Four LP color variants.  Also available on CD, cassette and as a digital download.  Pressing information for CDs and cassettes currently unknown; may not have a specified amount made.  Total non-deluxe LPs pressed: 6,000.

  • Grimace Purple A-Side / Milky Clear B-Side 12" LP; Pressing: 500
  • Oxblood w/ Bone/Silver Splatter (Hot Topic Exclusive Color) 12" LP; Pressing: 1,000
  • Olive Green A-Side / Bone B-Side 12" LP; Pressing: 1,500
  • Bone w/ Aqua Splatter 12" LP; Pressing: 3,000
  • CD; Pressing: Unknown
  • Cassette; Pressing: Unknown
  • Digital Download

Total U.S. pressing of LPs only: 10,000.

Total U.S. LP color variants of Pale Horses: 6

Total U.S. versions of Pale Horses: 11

 

 

3. U.K./EU (Pt. 1 - Big Scary Monsters Recording Company)

For sale here.

General info:

Two LP color variants and a CD.  Non-deluxe.  All include a U.K./EU bonus track. (Bonus track appears on the US deluxe editions but not the US non-deluxe pressings.)  U.K./EU CD pressing currently unknown; may not have a specified amount made.  Total U.K./EU LPs released by BSM: 700.

  • Clear with cherry cola colour in colour and black splatter 12" LP; Pressing: 200
  • Black 12" LP; Pressing: 500
  • CD; Pressing: Unknown

 

4. U.K. (Pt. 2 - Banquet Records & confusion)

For sale here.

General info:

Two U.K. LP color variants not sold on the BSM site.  Also, a CD that is potentially different than the one on the BSM site and may be put out by Banquet Records, BSM, Run For Cover Records or some mix of the three labels.  Unclear whether the CD is any different than the other CD sold in the UK by BSM.  All non-deluxe.  All include a U.K./EU bonus track. (Bonus track appears on the US deluxe editions but not the US non-deluxe pressings.)  Potentially unique U.K. CD pressing currently unknown; may not have a specified amount made.  Banquet Records also sells a "Bone W/Aqua" LP variant but gives no pressing info for the LP - "Bone w/ Aqua Splatter" is the most commonly pressed variant of the LP and is sold by Run For Cover Records in the U.S., so I don't know if that version is any different from the Run For Cover Records version in the U.S. or not.  I want to say it's at least slightly different because the tracklisting on the side of the page includes a 12th track labeled UK/EU exclusive, but then the same page says "Label: Run For Cover / Big Scary Monsters."  They sell three versions of the release on their site and I have no idea which it's referring to...or what it even means.  Possibly that "/" symbolizes a collaboration between the two record companies to make a different U.K. release separate from the U.S. release?  Or maybe it means that one or more of the releases is strictly a BSM or Run For Cover release?  I'm also not sure why they don't mention themselves next to "Label:" - i.e. Banquet Records - since both their description and the BSM site say Banquet Records has at least one exclusive U.K. variant.  This is what I meant by confusion.  Also, I am realizing how irrelevant this is becoming.  Ugh.  I started off nicely at least.  Total  U.K. LPs released by Banquet Records: 300 + ???

  • Clear with blue & purple splatter (Banquet Records U.K. exclusive - also comes with an mp3 code) 12" LP; Pressing: 300
  • Bone W/Aqua (No pressing info, confusion about this release noted in above paragraph) 12" LP; Pressing: ???
  • CD (Potentially identical to the copy sold by BSM and therefore irrelevant; it could be different, I guess.) Pressing: Unknown/Potentially same as CD sold by BSM

 

Total U.K./EU pressing of LPs only: 1,000 + ???

Total U.K/EU LP color variants of Pale Horses: Either 3 or 4 (Fuck you, "Bone W/Aqua")

Total U.K./EU versions of Pale Horses: Either 4, 5 or 6 (Fuck you, "Bone W/Aqua" and vague U.K. CD or UK CDs plural)

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Total WORLDWIDE pressing of LPs only: 11,000 + ???

Total WORLDWIDE LP color variants of Pale Horses: Either 9 or 10

Total WORLDWIDE versions of Pale Horses: Either 15, 16 or 17

...that have been announced so far.

 

Damn the U.K. for not being clear about unimportant details regarding far-off releases from an American band.  I thought I'd do like 10-20 minutes of research max and have all the answers and make a nice, informative rundown on this album's release.  Then you gotta go and do this, and now look at the monstrous uncertainty in my final numbers.  Unforgivable.

 

No, but really, everyone else who is a variant collector or just wanted to know what the pressing info was since it wasn't super clear, I hope this helped.  This took so, so much longer than I intended it to.  I forget my login, continue to collect records but just lurk this board now and then and one day I make a comeback and it turns into this.  I think my new username sums it all up.

 

POSTSCRIPT!  Fun Facts!

  • As of 3:58PM scratch that, this shit took too long to write and now I have to do each one over.  As of 4:27PM Eastern, 5/5/15, this is the availability of the Deluxe Edition records:

    Audiophile Black: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Available copies: 15 0 - SOLD OUT

    Audiophile Black: Non-autographed.  Available copies: 1,470

    Double Rainbow: Autographed/Hand-Numbered. Available copies: 0 - SOLD OUT

    Double Rainbow: Non-autographed. Available copies: 954

     

  • As of 4:29PM Eastern, 5/5/15, the only U.S., non-deluxe release of Pale Horses that has sold out is the Grimace Purple A-Side / Milky Clear B-Side variant of the 12" LP.  Everything else in "section 2" of this list is currently still available.  And you can still get the Purple/Clear variant if you want to pay $42.00 (including shipping, assuming you're in the U.S.) for the T-Shirt Package Bundle that also includes that variant of the vinyl plus a shirt and a poster.  All shirt sizes still available as well.  Side note; I wonder how many of the purple variants actually sold and how many are reserved for the T-Shirt Bundle?  Not all 500 sold or else the T-Shirt Bundles wouldn't still be available...and it sold out fairly quick, right?  Maybe they only let like 50 copies of the Purple vinyl be purchased on their own before they were "Sold Out" and had to be bought through the T-Shirt Bundle instead...nahh just kidding, Run For Cover Records is seriously legit, I expect those T-Shirt Bundles to start selling out before long.  Just something I always think about when the rarest variant sells out super quick and is then only available in bundles at double, triple, quadruple the cost or more.  FYI the bundle is less than double by about 5 bucks (after shipping) so it's not as bad as it often is, plus you get a shirt that's actually not hideous and a poster of the cover art which is also not bad at all, so kudos.
  • According to MWY's tweet late last night it doesn't seem like the CD version sold separately from the Deluxe Edition LPs is a "Deluxe Edition" CD - not sure if that means it just doesn't come with the booklet and postcards and poster etc or if it also means it lacks any extra tracks, does not contain different artwork etc...also, no clue what the cassette will come out looking like yet.
  • As of 4:31PM Eastern, 5/5/15, all U.K. variants and versions appear to still be in stock from both BSM and Banquet Records.
  • Speaking of which, this info might be useful to some: I bought the Clear with cherry cola colour in colour and black splatter UK variant of the record as well, limited to 200 copies; the record alone costs £14.99 GBP and they have a flat shipping rate of £6.00 to the U.S. so the total was £20.99 - I paid using PayPal and after the currency conversion and the fees PayPal tacks on for international transactions (about a dollar in this case) the total came to $32.71 USD, shipped from the U.K. to the U.S.  The other UK variant(s?) for sale on the Banquet Records site have the same item cost but their shipping, at least for a single LP, is a £7.00 to the US instead of £6.00...but I didn't get anything from them and only got as far as changing my location to "Rest of the world" without filling anything else in before giving up, so the price could have gotten higher later in the checkout as is often the case...you guys can figure that one out for yourselves.

     

  • Unrelated, but these guys are incredibly passionate live and very much worth going to see if you haven't already,  Then again it's been 9 years since I've seen them, but if they play even half the show they did then, it's worth seeing.

 

Welp, there was an afternoon at work well spent.  Happy Cinco de Mayo.  Time for a margarita or 11,000+...

 

thanks for the write up.  The Cassette is 300 copies and clear with blue tape.  info here.

 

and I couldn't figure anything out about the Bone with Aqua or CD UK release either.   

 

Runforcover, do you have any info on this?

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The markup in price from $15-$18 is solely because this is an incredibly expensive release to produce. The standard LP has tip-on jackets, 16pg booklet, diecut insert, etc. In fact, these SHOULD be more than $18 and we talked about making them $20 at length and decided against it. Obviously the deluxe costs significantly more to make as its even more intricate. 

What really pushed me to get the deluxe edition is that I know mwY doesn't fuck around with vinyl releases. This is going to be spectacular and I'm willing to pay appropriately to be a part of it.

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This thread escalated quickly.

 

Am I the only one who's confused by all these variants? I started out wanting to put in an order for a deluxe  but after seeing all the colours and having doubts about how the rainbow's going to turn out, my head started to hurt. Now I would just like to make my mind up on one variant but it seems all these are deemed to look insanely good. At least the grimace purple sold out so I can rule that one out  :) .

 

Will probably just end up getting the UK variant as that price is most reasonable to by from Europe.

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The Bone w/Aqua is the same as the RFC. They only have that and the Banquet exclusive. Below text from Banquet site:

 

'We have a Banquet UK-exclusive clear with blue & purple splatter vinyl version (/300), via Big Scary Monsters. If the LP pressing runs late, you will receive the download via email on the day of release. We're also stocking the Run For Cover release.'

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Finally went ahead with the poop rainbow wax as well. mewithoutYou has been such an important band in my life I felt like giving something back. Plus I'll get to spin this *cough* interesting *cough* looking wax where amazing tunes and Aaron Weiss' poetics magically come out of so it's a win-win.

 

Now if I could only find another copy of that Ten Stories deluxe that went missing in the mail...

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