daniel Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, rooks said: YOU must actually be kidding my friend. If Stephen King DID suddenly hack his family up one weekend would you look back and say "Oh wow, how'd we not see this one coming boys?? He literally said he was going to do it in the Shining!!" I never said I thought we should've seen the Lacey stuff coming. Nowhere in my posts did I suggest that. I've been a Brand New fan since Deja and always assumed (hoped?) he was writing characters as a means to criticize problematic behavior. I can't see the lyrics the same way anymore, because I'm a rational person who is considering that maybe someone I admired and gave the benefit of the doubt to for years didn't deserve it. jrodan and copelandkid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrodan Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, rooks said: YOU must actually be kidding my friend. If Stephen King DID suddenly hack his family up one weekend would you look back and say "Oh wow, how'd we not see this one coming boys?? He literally said he was going to do it in the Shining!!" ummm, yeah people probably would. trying to understand motivations of people who do horrible things is pretty common. daniel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Yeah can we lock this or make a thread to talk about it in everything else? I just want updates on the deluxe vinyl. MCDELTAT, stl_ben and famousdrumer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, daniel said: I never said I thought we should've seen the Lacey stuff coming. Nowhere in my posts did I suggest that. I've been a Brand New fan since Deja and always assumed (hoped?) he was writing characters as a means to criticize problematic behavior. I can't see the lyrics the same way anymore, because I'm a rational person who is considering that maybe someone I admired and gave the benefit of the doubt to for years didn't deserve it. But you must see the jump in logic. There's a difference between "following this new information that Jesse is a creep/pedo, I feel pretty weird about some of his old lyrics" and "Jesse has been writing about taking advantage of underage girls for years". You're pretty big on semantics, so maybe don't insert the "underage" descriptor where it doesn't exist. If the words to Me Vs. Maradona Vs. Elvis were "bring you back to the grade school" instead of "bring you back to the bar" then I'd totally see your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlimbo Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 A doctor who specializes in skin diseases will have a dream that he has fallen asleep in front of the television set. Later, he will wake up in front of the television set, but not remember his dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecayToDeath Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, daniel said: You have got to be kidding me, dude. Those are ridiculous and fantastical examples. Jesse Lacey literally wrote lyrics about taking advantage of underage girls. After the accusations, you see those lyrics the same way? It's not the same at all. Isn't MvMvE just about taking advantage of girls at the bar and making them think you care about them when you don't? Is there any mention of them being underage (especially considering it takes place at the bar)? Not only is it fiction, but even if it wasn't, it might be scummy but it isn't a crime. Edited November 13, 2017 by DecayToDeath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, DecayToDeath said: Isn't MvMvE just about taking advantage of girls at the bar and making them think you care about them when you don't? Is there any mention of them being underage (especially considering it takes place at the bar)? Not only is it fiction, but even if it wasn't, it might be scummy but it isn't a crime. You're right about that. I was misremembering lyrics from a YFW song, "What difference does this difference in age make", which could refer to a great number of things. But even if you remove the "underage" part from my post, I still stand by what I said. He's written about being a creep and predator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecayToDeath Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, daniel said: You're right about that. I was misremembering lyrics from a YFW song, "What difference does this difference in age make", which could refer to a great number of things. But even if you remove the "underage" part from my post, I still stand by what I said. He's written about being a creep and predator. If you made the song more jaunty and upbeat it would play out like something Barney Stinson would do on How I Met Your Mother. Just a song about a smooth-talking guy who gets a girl to go to bed with him. There's a strong argument for that being shitty behavior but I don't think that makes the narrator a predator by any means. The leap in logic here is ludicrous. Like I said in a prior post a few pages back, should we have "seen it coming" that he's also a mobster and a murderer because he penned Luca? No. It might not be a coincidence that he wrote this song, but we can't just look at songs from artists' repertoires, take them at face value, and assume it's logical to make assumptions or to "see it coming" that they do the same things that a fictional narrator in one of their songs did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooks Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, DecayToDeath said: If you made the song more jaunty and upbeat it would play out like something Barney Stinson would do on How I Met Your Mother. Just a song about a smooth-talking guy who gets a girl to go to bed with him. There's a strong argument for that being shitty behavior but I don't think that makes the narrator a predator by any means. The leap in logic here is ludicrous. Like I said in a prior post a few pages back, should we have "seen it coming" that he's also a mobster and a murderer because he penned Luca? No. It might not be a coincidence that he wrote this song, but we can't just look at songs from artists' repertoires, take them at face value, and assume it's logical to make assumptions or to "see it coming" that they do the same things that a fictional narrator in one of their songs did. To be fair, @daniel never said he could "see it coming". That's not the point. It's just about acknowledging the difference between inferring and projecting. It's totally fair to look back at the lyrics now and say "wow, I consider that kind of creepy in light of new information", aka inferring based on current knowledge that there may be some nefarious/creepy angle to some of the meaning that you choose to see behind these lyrics. It's not totally fair to project your (correct) beliefs about Jesse being a pedo on old lyrics and make statements as a matter of fact, like "he's been singing about abusing underage girls for years". I think we're on the same page, now. That's all. DecayToDeath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, DecayToDeath said: The leap in logic here is ludicrous. Like I said in a prior post a few pages back, should we have "seen it coming" that he's also a mobster and a murderer because he penned Luca? No. It might not be a coincidence that he wrote this song, but we can't just look at songs from artists' repertoires, take them at face value, and assume it's logical to make assumptions or to "see it coming" that they do the same things that a fictional narrator in one of their songs did. Again, you're comparing two very different things. Jesse Lacey being a mobster is far-fetched. Him being an abuser is not. Not because of his lyrics, but because it's simply a much more realistic scenario for a person to be an abuser than a "mobster". Also, let's not forget, HE ADMITTED TO IT. Edited November 13, 2017 by daniel copelandkid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batnoises Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I’d just like to know when my white copy is going to ship. Billich0986 and Dominic_ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl_ben Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, EGsynergy said: I’d just like to know when my white copy is going to ship. THIS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Hundred Fifty-Two Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Imagine if the story so far kick happened tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veggiecorecords Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 So who wants to buy all my brand new records? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostOfRandySavage Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, veggiecorecords said: So who wants to buy all my brand new records? Look, up in the clouds, do you see that? The virtue signal is shining bright! Virtue man is speeding from his virtue cave as we speak. Everyone, quick, sell all your records for an exorbitant amount even though you've already supported this band and it does absolutely nothing besides make you some quick money. That said, I'll give you $5ppd for them all. Edited November 13, 2017 by The Ghost of Randy Savage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Guaranteed every keyboard warrior in this thread sits in silence like a little bitch when anything that actually requires real effort presents itself to them in real life. Like that burger king commercial. Y'all literally have a slimeball rolling through this thread only pointing out how good music is from other pedophiles yet you choose to argue about some speculative shit. Get a life lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnywreck Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 minute ago, The Ghost of Randy Savage said: Look, up in the clouds, do you see that? The virtue signal is shining bright! Virtue man is speeding from his virtue cave as we speak. Everyone, quick, sell all your records for an exorbitant amount even though you've already supported this band and it does absolutely nothing besides make you some quick money. That said, I'll give you $5ppd for them all. Yea I mean... if these records were that "disgusting" wouldn't everyone just be giving them away for free? Or perhaps this is an elaborate ruse to rouse the pedo-apologists that will still treasure their beloved Brand New? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 4 hours ago, conedust said: But it's not like there's been any shortage of misogynist bullshit in this thread, what with Sunshine straight-up lying about Larkin Grimm... I thought you didn't call people liars lightly? Lmao I know the pitchfork article you read doesn't have all the info from what happened so it's pointless to call me a liar when you didn't follow the story and can only find tidbits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conedust Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Sunshine said: I thought you didn't call people liars lightly? I don't. You've lied; so I feel pretty comfortable calling you the liar you obviously are. And you're too helplessly stupid to be worth the time a real discussion might take. So let's just leave it at that. Shelby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, conedust said: I don't. You've lied; so I feel pretty comfortable calling you the liar you obviously are. And you're too helplessly stupid to be worth the time a real discussion might take. So let's just leave it at that. One special trophy for one special guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristopher Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 55 minutes ago, veggiecorecords said: So who wants to buy all my brand new records? You'd get more street cred if you found some creative way to destroy them all and tweet it for the world....bonus points if you can incorporate a Keurig in the destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowty Dollaz Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, Kristopher said: ...bonus points if you can incorporate a Keurig in the destruction. I don't get the reference, but Keurig, though convenient, is quite wasteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeJoe Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Im glad all these social science degrees are finally getting some use. Shitty Rambo and Shelby 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelby Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Fowty Dollaz said: I don't get the reference, but Keurig, though convenient, is quite wasteful. That's the new company conservative snowflakes are mad at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyFrosted Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 If anyone is so disgusted at their limited Brand New vinyl that it must find a new home to haunt, and must have it as far away from them as cheap as possible, send me a PM so I can relieve you of this great burden. DecayToDeath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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