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Record Store Day 2017

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9 minutes ago, timsimmons said:

I mean Justin Beiber and Ed Sheeran are pretty popular. I see why stores may order more of those. I personally don't enjoy their music, but I get how people do and don't think its unreasonable if a store gets alot and have it left over. 

 

I'd have less issues with RSD if they repressed shit. Limiting stuff to 500, 1000 or even 5000 for massive bands when demand will outweigh that number doesn't drive me to line up, it makes me wait to watch ebay or discogs so I don't have to put up with the crowd. Stores don't win when that happens and I'd posit I'm not the only one who feels that way. 

 

 

 

 

Except this is a store, Rotate This!, that has a punk, hardcore, indie, lo-fi aesthetic to its curating; context your replies continue to miss because you don't even think to ask for it (not that it stops you from providing uninformed rebuttals).

My point is simple: They 100% should not have bought that content, and certainly not at the volume they did; they misread their clientele despite 25 years in the business, gambling on punters with a taste for Top 40  pop to show up when almost every other record store in town caters to a more mainstream/trad-rock demo. They were inarguably wrong about that, with the discounted overstock being proof-positive of that.

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3 minutes ago, armadillo01 said:

Except this is a store, Rotate This!, that has a punk, hardcore, indie, lo-fi aesthetic to its curating; context your replies continue to miss because you don't even think to ask for it (not that it stops you from providing uninformed rebuttals).

My point is simple: They 100% should not have bought that content, and certainly not at the volume they did; they misread their clientele despite 25 years in the business, gambling on punters with a taste for Top 40  pop to show up when almost every other record store in town caters to a more mainstream/trad-rock demo. They were inarguably wrong about that, with the discounted overstock being proof-positive of that.

So go talk to the store owners about how to manage their inventory <_<

 

 

I'm definitely not pro-RSD, but you point has nothing to do with RSD.

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15 minutes ago, timsimmons said:

I wonder what will happen first: RSD dying or the vinyl bubble bursting.

 

The first option. You do realize that it's only been around for a decade, right?

 

17 minutes ago, stl_ben said:

let me know when any of your stores have no one show up to buy the RSD releases....then we can call RSD dead.

Yeah I never even so much as inferred anything close to saying "RSD is dead" so kindly take your strawman fallacy and shove it you know where :) 

2 minutes ago, daegor said:

So go talk to the store owners about how to manage their inventory <_<

 

 

I'm definitely not pro-RSD, but you point has nothing to do with RSD.

Me critiquing a local store's bad RSD overstock has nothing to do with RSD how? Please explain. Use logic.

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25 minutes ago, armadillo01 said:

 

Me critiquing a local store's bad RSD overstock has nothing to do with RSD how? Please explain. Use logic.

Because it's not "RSD's" fault they ordered a bunch of shit their clientele doesn't care about. That's an issue with that store, not the day itself. I'm personally not crazy about RSD, but if this store fucked up their order that's on them and no one else.

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5 minutes ago, The Ghost of Randy Savage said:

Because it's not "RSD's" fault they ordered a bunch of shit their clientele doesn't care about. That's an issue with that store, not the day itself. I'm personally not crazy about RSD, but if this store fucked up their order that's on them and no one else.

It is when the "bunch of shit" is 100% RSD 2016 stock.

Sigh, let me spell it out for you: No RSD? No RSD stock to order from, hence no milk-carts for me to look at a year later and talk shit about.  Straightforward cause and effect.

 

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One of the problems with the system, though, is that stores don't always get what they order, and have to order a lot of the stuff most people deem out of touch just to ensure they get PART of what they ordered due to perceived demand at their store. Distributors don't want to be stuck with the crap either.

 

Pressing in adequate quantities is another big problem. Ask your local (small) store if they got the full quantity of their order on popular items.  They never do. It's not hard to look at the list or the leftovers every year and determine how numbers could be better allocated to bigger pressings by eliminating/or lessening some of the less exciting titles.  2000 Faulty Towers Soundtrack picture discs. 2000.

 

Bigger quantities of less titles may be something to consider to combat some of the negative perceptions. It would also keep those titles of eBay. Smaller bands and labels could still do smaller batches. I don't know. Just a thought.

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1 minute ago, kannibal said:

One of the problems with the system, though, is that stores don't always get what they order, and have to order a lot of the stuff most people deem out of touch just to ensure they get PART of what they ordered due to perceived demand at their store. Distributors don't want to be stuck with the crap either.

 

Pressing in adequate quantities is another big problem. Ask your local (small) store if they got the full quantity of their order on popular items.  They never do. It's not hard to look at the list or the leftovers every year and determine how numbers could be better allocated to bigger pressings by eliminating/or lessening some of the less exciting titles.  2000 Faulty Towers Soundtrack picture discs. 2000.

 

Bigger quantities of less titles may be something to consider to combat some of the negative perceptions. It would also keep those titles of eBay. Smaller bands and labels could still do smaller batches. I don't know. Just a thought.

100% agree with all of this. Interesting that the distros might be applying pressure; didn't think of that aspect but who wants their shelf-space clogged by RSD overstock if the stores themselves are blowing them out to begin with?

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Overall I would say the bad aspects of RSD outweigh the good. That said if anyone's own personal holy grail found its way to stores because of it I'd wager most of us would suffer through the crowds or extortionate flipper prices with no remorse. Sure it's imperfect and I'd be happier if bands and labels put things out at a level that meets demand but this hobby of ours is like any other in that it is subject to profiteering of companies and individuals.

 

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    Personally, I enjoy it. It is something a little extra to look forward to and see releases for RSD and Black Friday. Every year I end up getting 1-2 releases at least and then a good hand full or so more down the road once they go down in price. People can cry about limited quantities but that is 95% of the reason there are tons and tons of people that go crazy and buy all kinds of stuff they normally would not have in fear it will go up in cost once sold out. I am sure most record stores also like it because it gets people in the doors to buy other stuff or influence them to come back. Guarantee the majority of these people would not be buying so many records if they knew they could easily get it down the line for the same price or less. Limiting releases or making pressing numbers bigger is the last thing the curators of rsd probably want to do since they love every little bit of the craziness and hype it gets each and every year. I would prefer that but complaining about it for months before every rsd day year after year is not going to change anything because the majority of people are still eating all this up.

 

    There are a lot of ridiculous things released and I do not agree with many of them but I still usually end up buying a novelty or two release a year from it so I am part of it. The younger generation with there Crosley playing Justin Bieber listening fans get nonstop shit but they are part of the reason the hobby is thriving and so many artists make sure to release on vinyl as well so I am more then happy to deal with all the stuff I personally do not care much for if it helps keep the medium as a whole healthier.

 

  That is my 2 cents at least. Too much other shit in life to worry about since I still end up getting a few releases I am happy about every year anyways.

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I get that RSD is a gimmick, but c'mon, how can you complain so harshly about something designed to help out small businesses, especially record stores? I mean, it got me SO stoked to see a huge ass line outside Underground Sounds in Ann Arbor, Michigan every year because Matt and the guys there run a FANTASTIC shop that's very rarely "full." It really bums me out that I can't fly back to do that again this year. Sure, I get 1 or 2 overpriced records, but whatever man, it's worth it, for me anyway.


It's a give and take I guess.  Whatever. I pretty much just reiterated what @hype said.

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There are negatives to EVERYTHING. There will be always be people that criticize and and bring out those faults. Some are merited and some not so much.

That being said. I LOVE record store day. I love sitting in line, talking about vinyl, collecting and experiences. Yes they are gimmicky releases. So what?! There are so many releases, that I always find something I like. I realize people have had bad experiences, but that's in the minority. Go to the shops day of, and ask. People have fun. 

 

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39 minutes ago, RobertSmith said:

There are negatives to EVERYTHING. There will be always be people that criticize and and bring out those faults. Some are merited and some not so much.

That being said. I LOVE record store day. I love sitting in line, talking about vinyl, collecting and experiences. Yes they are gimmicky releases. So what?! There are so many releases, that I always find something I like. I realize people have had bad experiences, but that's in the minority. Go to the shops day of, and ask. People have fun. 

 

I get both sides of the argument. People like what they like. I never would have found the patience and level of fun required for crate-digging if it weren't for RSD, so I appreciate it at a pretty basic level. I do think they've gotten a bit out of hand over the past few years with such limited pressings, even if it's with the intent of encouraging people to walk into the door.

 

Realistically, though, that's two days out of the year. What are most of those people doing the other 363?

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It think it's beyond hilarious how a "debate" or "argument" formed around me laughing about the shit titles in a record store's RSD 2016 overstock bins.

Frankly though? It's also kind of pathetic and sad, because it's a 100% totally fictional perception of criticism. FWIW I happen to have noted many times earlier in the thread that I'm into a lot of RSD 2017 stuff but apparently context means absolutely nothing here! Meh.

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9 hours ago, armadillo01 said:

It think it's beyond hilarious how a "debate" or "argument" formed around me laughing about the shit titles in a record store's RSD 2016 overstock bins.

Frankly though? It's also kind of pathetic and sad, because it's a 100% totally fictional perception of criticism. FWIW I happen to have noted many times earlier in the thread that I'm into a lot of RSD 2017 stuff but apparently context means absolutely nothing here! Meh.

 

 

Alright, so let's say your store buys more White Snake albums than it can sell, and years later 90% of the copies are in their bargain bin.  Who's fault is it?  Your store's fault or White Snakes fault?

 

Distributor pressures and RSD hype aside, the store ultimately decides what to stock.  If they make a poor choice that's on them.

 

There are plenty of stores near me that have decided that they're not on the RSD train anymore.  There used to be a time where you could pull as many RSD titles as you could into stock and the vast majority will sell the same day.  Not so any more.  As such many stores have limited what they stock from RSD, or don't bother with getting any.  Know your demographic, know what the locals will buy at what price and what they won't.  That's on the store to know, if they get it wrong it's no ones fault but their own.

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I'd just like to add to the discussion that my store orders all kinds of things that they never receive. For example, they said they placed an order for as many Government Plates as possible and received none. It's kind of strange that a store can request something and not get one copy, but it happens. 

Either way, I'll probably be participating even if they don't get any Coheed. 

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