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As far as locking this thread goes... This is a pretty big issue in the music scene we all love and support and it needs to be discussed. If users here can't do that without shaming one another that's on them as individuals, I don't think that's reason enough stop the conversation altogether.

I know of a few band dudes from the early-mid 00s scene that haven't been called out because it's not my place to tell someone else's story. It has nothing to do with "emo fangirls" and everything to do with scumbag predators preying on young girls because they're "cool" older dudes in a band. Get right the fuck out of here with that victim blaming bullshit.

Exactly. BBW MILFs or GTFO.

Every canceled pre-order and all discarded store stock – in an effort to prevent Jesse from upgrading his webcam – is actually a tiny obstacle along his path to maintain help and keep his demons at bay. You think therapy is cheap? If you're canceling your order you're basically a pedophile. Just so you know.

Again, I'm not mad nor pretending to be. Just asking you to rethink your words. Once someone sat me down and asked me to think about use of the word "retarded" (I'm 30 and grew up in Georgia, so we used it pretty freely). I considered how that would impact him (a coworker) who lost a child with special needs to her disease. That was the day I actually became a functional adult who realized my actions, and yes words, could be detrimental to someone else's reality. You may not care if s/he/they commit suicide, but someone who isn't them does. So, please?

Typing is hard. I apologize to everyone who has suffered from my poor typing skills and lack of proofreading. My girlfriend has suffered my typos and autocorrect word salad for years and has stuck with me, even in the worst of times. I suffer from a need to type fast and my ADD makes it difficult for me to pay attention to the results. I've hurt a lot of people, but when you really think about it...Im the victim here. Pray for me and my recovery.

The band has officially canceled the deluxe pressings of this album.

Any word on the Deluxe editions will go back up for sale with all the refunds happening?

Speak for yourself, creepoid.

These are live now! Limited to 1,000 copies and available on two color variations including blue / orange split (/400) and blue splatter (/700). http://merchnow.com/catalogs/wargod ___________________________________________ From a post on Reddit: Along with some friends, I run a record label. Last year we released Eve 6 s/t and we are excited to be working with the band again to release their follow up album 'Horrorscope'. We will be releasing this on two color ways, with pre-orders launching in the next few weeks.

Yop. This amazing new Discogs service not only costs more than shipping via PayPal, it isn't integrated with USPS records, it often negates PayPal seller protections, and it appears to have been programmed at the last minute by lazy grade-schoolers.

Why bother? We’ll all politely refuse but he’ll do it anyway.

Lol, I'm inclined to put the 4 (or is it 5?) girls he sleazed on (that we know about) at the top of the list. And then probably their parents. And then, maybe, Jesse's wife, who's got way more reason to forgive than anyone here. Sure, everyone's guilty of something. Doesn't mean we shouldn't speak unkindly of those who get caught with their hand in the little girl jar.

Man, what if the album sucks?

Here, in the everyday real world, when most people hear pedophile, they think something akin to mustachio creep-show sitting outside of an elementary school playground, not a guy in his twenties sexting with a girl in her mid-late teens. We also do not know that Jesse actually had sex with a minor. So. It still means sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Anyone is free to use whatever term they chose, but "pedophile" still, literally, does not fit the bill here.

Watch U2 one-up them by having their new album's vinyl sneakily placed on collectors' shelves in their homes.

First time I chimed in on this topic...Is what Jesse did years ago horrible? Sure. Is what Jesse did unforgivable? Absolutely not in my eyes. We don't know all the details and I think everyone canceling their orders and writing the entire band off is a little ridiculous. If it makes you feel better go ahead. We are all imperfect humans. IMPERFECT. I have done some horrible things to people and hurt ones I love dearly in my life. If I wasn't able to be forgiven....Im just saying. Don't be so quick to judge. Be quicker to forgive imperfect humans. Some of us need to look in the mirror a bit. Everyone comparing him to someone who rapes little kids is ridiculous. For all we know Jesse has reached out to the victims long ago and tried to make it right. I wouldn't be so quick to assume anything but quicker and more ready to forgive and imperfect human being. Anyway thats my 2 cents. I know I may get hate for this but I don't care. Im not so ready to write off a band because of a costly mistake one member has made

500 copies for US 1000 copies for UK US link: SOLD OUT https://roughtrade.com/us/music/live-at-rough-trade-551f7e1f-34a2-4946-946c-f29178c22823 UK link: https://www.roughtrade.com/gb/music/live-at-rough-trade-8cce8438-7166-4293-bf1c-043173da0571

Hey everyone! Too Many Records and VINYL MOON have teamed up to do an awesome, deluxe tip-on gatefold vinyl pressing of Polygondwanaland, complete with multiple badass variants. If you're quick enough you can get one of the coveted hand numbered WAX MAGE variants or "Wizard Blob" hand pours. No matter how you support, 100% of any profits are going to support RAINN (the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, an American anti-sexual assault organization, the largest in the United States) Check it out: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1591459793/deluxe-charity-vinyl-of-king-gizzards-polygondwana

Edgy? Stating a fact like "Foo Fighters suck" is some rounded corners shit.

How old do you think the girls are on the album art for Sci-Fi? Was this photo selected for a reason? Did it predict Jesse’s past coming back to haunt him? They appear to be diving or leaping – perhaps from the car and residence. Could this be them freeing themselves from the personal hell (license place SOS 666) they’ve been wrestling with for the past decade? What does it all mean?

Don’t worry I would never ban myself.

Can we all just agree that In Utero is the best studio Nirvana album and Unplugged is their crowning achievement?

What an utter shit show. I'm just gonna go listen to some Burzum and not feel that bad about it.

Yeah but if you send an envelope with $1 in it to the address in the email they'll send you some lyrics in 10 years. Also no refunds

Post should have ended here. Fuck Jesse Lacey, will continue to listen to Brand New.

come on @Shitty Rambo if this post doesn't constitute locking it up, then I have no idea what does. obviously nothing...

Jesse knew they were underage and actually was the one taking advantage in that situation, pretty big difference there... I sense some pent-up anger in this one

The inside of the gatefold should look like the VC boards. Tracklisting as fake threads, reply count as track duration, etc.

Can we leave Michael Jackson outta this?

We need to compile all the pressings. Lol. All Things Loud Violet / Purple - 500 Greenway Records Red / Blue Split / Splatter - Pressed based on orders. Test Pressing - ??? Fuzz Club Version 1 -100 (Sold Out) Version 2 - 100 Version 3 - 300 Black Needle Juice Records Multi Color -250 Blood Music Yellow / Blue splatter - ? Blue - ? Red - ? Yellow - ? Stolen Body Records Ogre green with Blue, yellow, red and black Splatter - 250 Vinyl Collective Pressing VC-1 - 100

As far as any of us are aware, Jesse is not sexually attracted to prepubescent children. This is disturbing enough without being hyperbolic by throwing the term "pedophile" around. Carry on.

First and foremost I don't want this to seem like I'm downplaying the victims and what they endured. That's not the point. I'm not asking that anyone "like" Jesse Lacey or write off what he's done. I didn't mention the victims because I've sent them my sorrow and good vibes and I don't think ANYONE thinks these victims are to blame or should have had to suffer. I'm more so a humanist. I believe that humans can become better with the proper treatment. There are so many factors to consider, many of which we'll never even know. My first thought when I heard this - "Was Jesse himself abused?" A lot of EDIT: sexual offenders suffer at the hands of others before they turn into one themselves. This is just one of the many thoughts I have whenever I read about these kinds of things. Same thing goes for most people that I see commit any crime. I'm just not one for blood and justice. I believe in humanity and society, and I don't believe that we even have the right to judge others. Therefore, I have these views. Is his behavior reprehensible? Absolutely. Are all the girls involved victims? 100%. Should there be more attention focused on this? Yes. But until we start treating criminals like humans... how can we expect them to act like them? I probably shouldn't have said anything, but I'm honestly disgusted at how most of you have replied to not just me but to other posters stating their opinions. If you disagree, find a kinder way to say things rather than telling people they're "pedophile/rape apologists." It's just hateful and deters the idea of the "community" we're supposed to be building. I appreciate @swb responding with an open mind and seeing the potential for an open discussion.

Something to consider is that victims live for a long time being doubted, called liars, having their flaws magnified, and being dehumanized, all because someone else victimized them. Meanwhile, almost instantly and sometimes prior to being outed, perpetrators often experience the opposite. They are more likely to be humanized, have their actions minimized, have their feelings prioritized and protected, and have friends/fans advocate for them to be rushed past the consequences phase and into the forgiveness phase. Jesse Lacey didn't wake up one morning inserted into another person's mess. He did what he did to those women and he was able to continue being a rock star with a cult-following with little public fall out and start a family and lead his life. If you really feel for him and wish him relief and comfort and an escape from these consequences, consider the last 15 years an advance payment of that empathy and comfort. Now, the grace period has ended and he's reaping what he's sown.

Just did a bit of research and this seems to be the story. If anyone is interested in a /50 or /100 VC press, please shoot me a DM. I am currently working out the details with a plant for a short, high-quality run that will be mastered for vinyl.

I disagree with 98 percent of this statement

Actually its not sold out in the US store. I just ordered a copy, but on the UK site it says "This product is currently only available for Rough Trade Club Members" So if anyone's interested get on that US link & get yourself one!

For those who are getting refunds / getting rid of all things Brand New; do you own any records by Michael Jackson, Jerry Lee Lewis, The Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry? Or own/watch movies by Woody Allen or Roman Polanski? Voted for Clinton or Trump? In no way saying everything that everyone has done is ok, but wondering where you guys draw the line?

His "imperfections" weren't a momentary slip up. This isn't a DUI or a bar fight. This a predator systematically abusing/using teenage girls for YEARS.

how is this thread not locked up

If you do the math on when the women say it started and ended for them... it wasn't that many years ago. And that's only these two women that we know about. Which is it? Is it ridiculous, or is it fine if it makes you feel better? What in any of the published accounts or statements makes you think he did? It sounds like you're the one quick to assuming that. There's a difference between doing some stupid shit or fucking up a couple of times, and repeatedly abusing your power and status to prey on young women.

The band (and the internet) is way more significant now then they were then. The Harvey Weinstein and Hollywood purge have amplified these stories now. Does seem like a lot of people knew though. Hurts my head too. Taking a simple 101 course in psychology or doing some research on psychology and the human behavior will show how wrong your point is. It's not that simple.

lol, unrelated to the current back and forth - but do some of you really believe that if someone wrote something then it must be an immediate reflection of themselves, if not completely true and an accurate representation of them as a person? I mean is that real? Like... do you think George Lucas has a lot of space travel or light incest experience? Did Stephen King hack up his family one winter when he was stuck at a hotel? Did Conor Oberst's mom really drown his baby brother in a bathtub when he was a kid? Did Bob Marley really shoot the sheriff and the deputy? Or just the sheriff? Let's get over the fact that lyrics can mean anything and interpretation of their content, when it comes to something like this, is an idiotic waste of time. It was determined back in 2014 that violent rap lyrics could not be used as evidence in court cases... because they are FICTION.

Thanks for this, Mr. Shidt! Picked up the Requiem for a Dream Soundtrack and My Life in the Bush of Ghosts. Wish they'd issue more of their older, CD-only catalog of classical & avant-garde stuff on vinyl.

The post he was responding to was some gross edge lord bullshit. I think it'll be ok.

What store has the red version? I think that one has the 7"

I'm either gonna get one through this route or through a guilt-ridden fan who didn't make a cancellation

Sounds like proper late 90's throwback. Loud and dirty. Thanks. I might just snag a copy up. EDIT: Bought a copy. Hope they blow up someday.

No, I kept mine. Still enjoy the music even though I no longer respect Matt.